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To: DiogenesLamp; NELSON111; itsahoot; marron; x; rockrr
NELSON111: "Who knows better?-the Vice President of the Confederacy or some people on a blog site 150 years later?"

DiogenesLamp: "Clearly it is informed people on a blog site 150 years later.
Alexander Stephens was a politician, and so what he says isn't necessarily the truth."

But what DiogenesLamp posts here is never the truth, indeed, you can usually find the truth just by taking the opposite side of DiogenesLamp's posts.

Alexander Stephens was an important Confederate political figure in 1861, selected as Vice President, he expressed Reasons for Secession in terms average citizens of those states could understand & relate to.
Now DiogenesLamp wants us to fantasize with him that those were not the "real reasons", that really, Stephens and other Confederate leaders hid their "real reasons" which had to do more with "Northeastern power brokers" and "money flows from Europe".

But no Confederate leader ever expressed themselves that way, and so we have to tell DiogenesLamp, as politely as possible under the circumstances to, ahem, "go jump in a lake".

DiogenesLamp: "I think they wanted Independence. Virginia certainly didn't go to war over slavery, and I dare say none of the other states contributed as much to the cause as did the Virginians."

Virginia was the first state for whom their declaration of secession was simultaneously effectively a declaration of war on the United States.
The war did not start over slavery, but over Fort Sumter and Lincoln's call for 75,000 troops to suppress rebellion.
But slavery was behind secession and abolition soon enough became the Union's rallying cry.

Lots of fools & liars here.
503 posted on 05/05/2019 11:44:01 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK; DiogenesLamp
But what DiogenesLamp posts here is never the truth

What people believe they went to war for is not necessarily the reason they went to war. An enemy has to be defined in terms the people can define. We went to war with Germany because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor right? Why did we Attack Iraq for the Trade Center Buildings when there wasn't a single Iraqi involved? Wars are often fought under pretexts that have no basis in fact but the people are manipulated to believe them else they may refuse to enter. Generals or politicians may have stated reasons for what they do or don't do, one version is too rouse the people, the other may be to secure their position or fortune.

Heck as I recall WW II was fought for God and Apple Pie.

509 posted on 05/05/2019 12:59:10 PM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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