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To: BroJoeK; DiogenesLamp
But what DiogenesLamp posts here is never the truth

What people believe they went to war for is not necessarily the reason they went to war. An enemy has to be defined in terms the people can define. We went to war with Germany because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor right? Why did we Attack Iraq for the Trade Center Buildings when there wasn't a single Iraqi involved? Wars are often fought under pretexts that have no basis in fact but the people are manipulated to believe them else they may refuse to enter. Generals or politicians may have stated reasons for what they do or don't do, one version is too rouse the people, the other may be to secure their position or fortune.

Heck as I recall WW II was fought for God and Apple Pie.

509 posted on 05/05/2019 12:59:10 PM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: itsahoot
itsahoot: "Wars are often fought under pretexts that have no basis in fact but the people are manipulated to believe them else they may refuse to enter."

Sure, but if you go searching for alleged "real reasons" you still have to begin with those expressed by people at the time.
You can't just fantasize according to your Marxist ideology and then impose your imaginings onto historical characters.

In the examples of "Reasons for Secession" documents, they all speak mainly of slavery, though some mention other complaints too, primarily taxes.
None say anything about "Northeastern power brokers" or "money flows from Europe" or unfair laws that route trade through New York -- that's all just nonsense.

You mentioned other wars -- WWII & Iraq -- and in each case you can make a list of logical reasons, but in both the obvious reasons are the most compelling.
In WWII we were attacked at Pearl Harbor and wanted to help out our British & French allies (among others) in Europe, especially after Hitler declared war on the US.
In Iraq II there seemed to be weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a brutal dictator who appeared to threaten their use on his own people, as well as others.
Sure, today everybody mocks that, but at the time it was totally bipartisan, including a Democrat Senator from New York named Clinton.

But one thing Iraq was not was over oil or money.
So far as we know, the US spent $ trillions on Iraq and seemingly got nothing for it.

That's why today we have a president who's promised to put an end to such foolishness.

522 posted on 05/05/2019 4:44:19 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: itsahoot
We went to war with Germany because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor right?

We went to war with Germany because Germany declared war on the U.S., December 11, 1941. Which, I believe, is the only time Germany declared war on another country through any means other than invasion.

534 posted on 05/06/2019 9:44:09 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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