Posted on 04/28/2019 4:20:34 PM PDT by SMGFan
Mobile, Ala. — An 18-year-old Navy recruit from Alabama has died during boot camp in Illinois. Spokesman Lt. Joseph W. Pfaff says Kelsey Nobles, of Mobile, died Tuesday after collapsing during training at the Navy Recruit Training Center in Great Lakes, Illinois.
Nobles' father, Harold, told CBS affiliate WKRG-TV that doctors say she went into cardiac arrest. He says she passed out after her physical fitness test. He says she was taken to a civilian hospital where she was pronounced dead.
Nobles describes his daughter as a young woman who was "the sweetest soul" and "had the biggest heart." He says she was full of energy and would give anyone anything, even her last dollar.
Pfaff says the Navy is investigating. This is the second death under similar circumstances at the boot camp in the past two months. According to the Military Times, Seaman Recruit Kierra Evans was pronounced dead at a hospital after she collapsed following physical training Feb. 22.
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I was in the Navy Reserves from 1961 until 1967.
Even then, the average seaman’s job was relying more on electronic help and upkeep in a rapid succession.
Today’s Navy is a thousand times more complex and dependent on electronics to do the job.
The draft is not the place to find new seamen, marines, airmen and soldiers in today’s electronic and complex military world.
Quantico’s average high and humidity in the summer was close to 90 plus everyday!
“Of course I have no idea what happened to those in the article but many young people today are not as active as we all were when we grew up.”
I’m 80 and my siblings and first cousins are plus or minus 5 years. We were active and all but one of over a dozen are still alive and so are our spouses. We, are still active and walk where and when we can. Most of us are within 5-10% of our college weight and measurements.
Our parents after school, during holidays and in the summer told us to go out and play and sometimes handed us a lunch.
We showed up for lunch or dinner sometimes. By 8pm we were ready for bed. Most of us starting working for real money our junior years in high school. Some are still working in their 70’s/80’s.
One of our 18 year old grandsons worked over 90 hours this past week during his spring break at his two jobs, he had last year. He gets well over the minimum wage. These two employers work with him re scheduling, and he will work for them this summer as well as weekends. He might have an ounce or two of fat on his body.
I grew up on the Texas Gulf coast, so Quantico wasn’t a big strain. The guys in our platoon from Minnesota and Wisconsin had a very hard time.
Stop projecting. I’m not “stalking” you, just making an observation.
Don’t worry; This is my last post to you. You aren’t worth my time.
One last thing: This isn’t news because of the sex of the Navy recruit. It’s because two recruits died at the same facility.
Company 357.
Satellite Beach ‘67 - ‘77 Melbourne / Palm Bay since ‘87.
Spent the first 49 years of my life in northern Illinois. You couldn’t pay me enough to move back there, (ok, maybe for a few hundred million dollars) mostly because of the horrible winters (of which this year was a nightmare), but also because the democrats have ruined it, like they ruin everything.
Co 380 circa 1967.
Cocoa Beach 87-90 then Canaveral Groves until Sept.2011 after the last mission of the shuttle.
I don’t know if I can find that part of my service record.
If and when I do, I will let you know.
“The resumed draft would kill the US military as presently configured.”
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PID, I agree.
The system needs an honest overhaul.
An honest, non-political, non-politically correct overhaul.
The heat flags still exist; under “black flag” conditions, all PT stops, and other outside training must be conducted in covered areas. I was at Lackland as both a trainee and trainer multiple times. Did basic in ‘81; went back for OTS in ‘85 and returned as an ROTC flight commander and commandant of cadets in ‘96 and ‘97. The last ROTC summer camp I was at ran during July and August; it was brutally hot, even by San Antonio standards. I remember juggling the schedule so we could move most of our outside training to the early morning and evening, knowing we’d have black flag conditions for a good part of the afternoon.
I spent a good chunk of my Air Force career in the southeast (including my ROTC tour), so I was used to the heat. But we had a lot of cadets (and staff) from the northeast and upper Midwest who had never experienced anything like a Texas summer.
Certainly as anybody from Israel Korea or who fought in other non-daycare military establishments will tell you.
Not everybody has the luxury of staying far behind the lines and listen to combat stories from those who’ve deployed into war. Someday the surface Navy may half to deal with a formidable enemy...the military of Kara Hultgreen and Richard Danzig will have to revert back to the military of Hal Moore and James Webb. In the interim though you’re free to fly your rainbow flag and make pithy comments online.
You might be correct and there are plenty of NCOs in the mold of Delmar Simpson and Nathanael Beech who are ready & willing to “process” all those good looking young women from the suburbs into the military. “Day Care” and “professional” are mutually exclusive terms in the event of a major ground war. Let the Romney and Sununu families step up for a change.
Navy boot camp is not that strenuous compared to Marines and Army. Only the Air Force is less physical (don’t know about Coast Guard). Additionally they were at Great Lakes Naval Training Center between Milwaukee and Chicago in April. That’s a very good time to be there. I started on August 4th. It was very hot. The women used to be in Orlando.
I have little doubt that there was an underlying condition in these cases.
Well and if you looked up the records Grandpa conscription was used to fill the Army primarily. However, the existence of conscription caused many young MEN to consider their options and go into a branch of their choosing. Conscription still works fine in Finland, Israel, Korea and was just resumed in Sweden. The military would no longer have to coddle malcontents and reduce standards to meet recruiting goals. There are some great examples of young men in the GOP who’ve stepped up...Duane Duncan Hunter, Senator Cotton or Dan Crenshaw. They are however far outnumbered by Limp-Richards like Burr, Flake or Ryan.
That's a very diplomatic way of putting it. It's even more complicated with cell phones nowadays. I was tasked as a notification officer four times; the four worst jobs I had to do in my career but certainly quite important they be done well.
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