[flamberge]

I see a way out. Article V.

I do not see the Article V convention as a way to avoid the next Civil War. At best it will be a distraction from the inevitable. More likely such a convention will be instantly co-opted by the Leftists, with an extremely predictable and unfavorable result.

Too many people want Socialism. They will not be persuaded otherwise by any legalistic or rational arguments. They will follow the leaders who promise "free stuff" (at somebody else's expense). Most of them will be cheated, but that will not stop them.

There will be war. The victors will purge the vanquished from any positions of authority and take what they have. The vanquished will die in resentful poverty and be mostly forgotten.

That is how history has always worked.

[Nateman]

there will be war ...So have the Convention then have that bloody war. I rather we took the founders way first. The COS proposed cancels the application if they swerve off into areas beyond the call. Canceling a Convention because of a state withdrawal is already a done deal, otherwise a COS would have been called already over a Balanced Budget amendment.

[Windflier]

I do not see the Article V convention as a way to avoid the next Civil War. At best it will be a distraction from the inevitable.

I completely agree. We've passed the point of a political solution.

More likely such a convention will be instantly co-opted by the Leftists, with an extremely predictable and unfavorable result.

That scenario isnt possible, unless you believe that 38 state legislatures would ratify any constitutionally destructive proposals put forth by the left in such a convention. As bad as things are, America hasn't gone that far left.

That fear is unfounded.