The Never-Ending Threat of Civil War

American Thinker ^ | April 6, 2019 | E.M. Cadwaladr

[ProtectOurFreedom]

We and the Left are now two nations within one country. This is undeniable. We are now so different that we cannot even agree on what a country is, or on the merits of a country having a border. The number of people who still say, "I just don't care about politics" dwindles. It is still possible to hate both sides — but it is getting hard to be indifferent and still be breathing. How many people can just take or leave infanticide? How many people are entirely flexible about the idea of the government having authority over anything and everything, to experimenting with our fundamental demographics, or to giving up fossil fuels cold turkey? The abyss looms large beneath us.

We conservatives have let this ideological cancer metastasize for far too long for its excision to be simple or painless. For too long, we have been patient with outrages we should have fought to reverse. We have let our opponents secede incrementally from us for decades. We have been tolerant and patient...we have given up our civil society, our political representation, and our freedoms one by one. Our maladies won't be fixed by delicate adjustments now...Either the cancer wins, and kills us all, or we defeat it — and we accept the scars. Let us not pretend they would not be hideous scars. And let us not pretend it would not be a deeply barbarous and bitter surgery.

The titanic nations of the Left and right are rising en masse — flexing their muscles and snorting menacingly at one another. We cannot get out of their way. There is no safe part of the country, nor any genuinely safe haven left in any other country. This is a global conflict. We have run out of frontiers.

[SanchoP]

You're talking dollars,I'm talking people. The IRS rules by intimidation but 9 million makers disappearing from the tax rolls would do serious damage to the makers/takers ratio.

[fortheDeclaration]

It doesn't end in a civil war, so stop the hyperbolic rhetoric.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

It’s not quite that black and white, but that is a very good observation. The lines do tend to break that way.

The biggest problem is that the freedom-loving cohort born after WW II will soon be gone and all the socialism loving youngsters will get what they want. Only when they wake up to what they have done, it will be too late.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

You think 80%? I might buy 60%, maybe 2/3.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Thanks for putting and end to all this senseless chatter. Case closed. Time to move on.

By the way, before we close, which pronoun do you prefer? Is it ok if we call you by “xi”?

[The Toll]

I do, I think the people that we struggle with in the political realm are 80% white women when you consider the vast numbers of whites in the population. A large portion of the people we assign “leftist” ideology aren’t really leftist. They’re just criminal idiots or minority racialists. They can spout a few Leftist lines if it suits their purpose, but nothing significant.

[Jack Black]

Does anybody see a way out of this?

The Left is consolidating power. Their population replacement strategy is working, it is only a matter of time until conservatives can't win a POTUS election, and then the Senate will be out of reach too.

The obvious "way out" is that we lose.

That is the libs run the table, they get every little thing they want enacted into law and forced on the rest of us.

To some extent we are primed to accept that - it's the way things have always worked.

37 states had elections on gay marraige, 35 banned it. We have gay marriage in every state now. The list is long of Lib victories and Conservative capitulation.

The idea of a armed rebellion is maybe fanciful at this point. But short of that I don't see how the right wins. We elected Trump, and he's been tied up in knots by the Left who do not honor the idea of a democratically elected leader if it's not one of their own.

What would such a conflict look like with no clear geographical or physical boundaries between the parties?

There is an extensive fictional literature of Civil War II, I have many of the books from the genre listed out on my profile page, with pocket reviews.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

My wife is a teacher in an almost all-Black school in Baltimore. She says many of her black female colleagues all have strong, family oriented, conservative, Christian core principles. Yet they all HATE Trump, adored Obama, and reliably vote “D” no matter how awful “D” acts against them. My sister just shakes her head in amazement.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Many people think we are in Cold War II (and have been a couple of decades). We have lost it. Things will carry on. As I mentioned somewhere above, the strong, conservative, pro-American, post-WW II generation will soon be gone and, with it, all the people who remember “what it used to be like when we were free.” Unfortunately, all the relics of our wonderful civilizations will be torn down and the histories rewritten, so our progeny will need need to find underground sources of truth about the past and the wonders of the 2,500 years of Western Civilization.

[Jack Black]

As soon as the EBT cards run out, there will be a slaughter in the city.

Why would the EBT cards ever run out? Other than "grid down" I don't see it. FedGov loves it's dependents, and will keep the credits flowing onto the cards come hell or high water.

[Still Thinking]

Gallows. Why pay to feed them while we risk a new administration freeing them?

[fr_freak]

Now, I am pretty certain that most of these keyboard warriors will pee themselves once the cops come to take them away.

Yeah, but it has always been that way. But it's not the ones posting who will get things done. It's the ones who aren't posting.

[Still Thinking]

Conservatives would probably be OK with that, but how is the intrinsically parasitic class going to voluntarily release the host organism? They literally can’t.

[vannrox]

This will sound very, very strange but I am going to throw it out to youse guys for consideration. OK? THis is JUST for some thought...

Back in 1998, this fellow by the name of John Titor claimed to be a time time traveler from the future. He claimed that he came from the 2030's in a time machine which was a period-automobile with this 500 pound time-displacement device in the back seat. He posted his tohoughts about stuff, and then after about two years flew the coop and hasn't been heard from since.Now, he claimed that there was a civil war in the United States. The war was basically between the urban areas and the countryside. He said that the President was trying to hold eveything together, but that the war was a very nasty one and involved serious disagreements on culture and society. After a period of time, the urban folk provoked the Russians into war, and they blasted the heck out of our cities. What followed was even wrose than civil war.

Now, his predicitons; the dates were all wrong. They came and went.

But aside from that, he has predicted so many things that actually came to pass that nonoe of us had any clue about back in 1998. Like You-tube. Etc. I think that it would be very interesting if all of you guys took a look at what he had to say, in light of the debate that all of us are currently involved in.

Just suggesting.

John Titor - Intro and summary

His story about the civil war and nuclear war.

How his time machine worked

[gattaca]

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[archy]

Or the Finnish Civil War - killed 1% of the population in a little over three months early in 1918. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War

Just so, though the timing depends o0n when you consider the start date to be- it could have taken the Finns 4 months rather than three to decide they wanted to live with a government willing to subjugate their pepole by treaty to the then-new Soviet Union.

But the real lesson is that only around 1 death in 4 was a combat casualty. the rest were during interrogation, starvation or freezing to death in the minimalist detention facilities, or the interesting use of the captives as targets for bayonet practice, which brought the realities of their situation home to the inexperienced rookies in the hastily organized platoons.

Consider the lads said to be decorated members Finnish group advised by the German 27th Jaeger Reqiment, sporting their new Iron Cross Second Class medals. I do not think that they got them for swell book reports.

[archy]

Back in 1998, this fellow by the name of John Titor claimed to be a time time traveler from the future.

Not listed [under that name] as a FReeper.

[MileHi]

Hello archy

John Titor was more like a blog poster back when.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor

[archy]

John Titor was more like a blog poster back when.

Reeeeeal vaguely I recall the name from the old Art Bell days....