One rule in my field is that a degree is almost worthless. This "scandal" is a perfect illustration of why that is the case. A professional license is far more important, and a degree is really nothing more than one step in qualifying for that license.
Look at what you posted there with regard to athletics. If someone who never even rowed a boat was admitted to USC on the basis of her athletic background in rowing, then how seriously does USC even take that sport anyway?
What’s going to be really interesting is to see what other names pop up on these records as the Feds build their case.
There are plenty of rules and plenty of standards. I deal with them every day in my work.
One rule in my field is that a degree is almost worthless. This “scandal” is a perfect illustration of why that is the case. A professional license is far more important, and a degree is really nothing more than one step in qualifying for that license.
Look at what you posted there with regard to athletics. If someone who never even rowed a boat was admitted to USC on the basis of her athletic background in rowing, then how seriously does USC even take that sport anyway?
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Are you even reading the posts I and others write? Or are you trying to contrarian. I said I was done but sheesh cannot leave your misinformation standing...
Times may be changing, but to get FIRST JOB in Engineering yeah having a degree is rather useful and usually required to even get past the Taleo candidate screening software.
Regarding USC ROWING, they are ranked TWELFTH for D1 schools...so uh I think they take their sport seriously.
So you follow rules in your job, but it is OK for colleges to violate theirs—no big deal not a scandal...Hmmm seems conflicting to me ...I asked you if a bribed teacher gave someone an A who received a 68% on the test which had a published floor of 93% for an A, was OK. You did not respond...Eh it does not support your contentions.
Just to be clear for anyone else reading this, The Key Foundation doctored the girls’ records...They photo-shopped pictures, bribed the coach and someone in the athletic office...So yeah, they do pay attention but were provided FRAUDULENT documents — a big scandal to some even tho you don’t seem to think so.
Your commentary about degrees from good schools in first post and now saying don’t even need a degree for Engineering are just anecdotal...And you did say you got MS didn’t you? Yet you don’t need it—they why expend the resources to do it?
Not sure what area of engineering you are in, but why do you think so many tech firms have located in California and on West Coast? My kid works in San Jose and and will tell you it is because of the supply of talented graduates coming out of Stanford, Berkeley, etc....A large tech workforce. My kid’s first job was at Intel, and the Midwest school they were looking at for hiring was University of Illinois...top ranked school for Engineering.
And yeah, he needed the degree.
PhD kid would beg to differ with your regarding degree too though he went into industry and might not have needed a PhD but stayed to finish research and turn in largest dissertation in the school’s history...but to say no degree is well just your opinion vs. theirs.
Not sure why you are so contrarian here. Seems you are pretty negative about standards, schools, degrees, etc...You said,
“I would never raise a child to have an expectation that they were owed anything like this from anyone — even if they were the best qualified person for any given position as a student, employee, etc.”
I taught my kids to honor their word and hold to account those who don’t ...To stand up for what they believe in and have rightfully earned. Interestingly, they have and do...and have done very well by it.
These parents, students who were aware, and bribed co-conspirators need to be held to account in this scandal. Yes, scandal.
Again, have a nice day.