I give up.
Posted on 03/13/2019 12:26:55 AM PDT by knighthawk
A top staffer to Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign apologized Tuesday for invoking “a dual allegiance” of Jewish Americans while defending Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn.
Belén Sisa, Sanders’ national deputy press secretary, was discussing the term seen as anti-Semitic in a Facebook thread over the weekend -- and argued that questioning it was legitimate, Politico reported.
“This is a serious question: do you not think that the American government and American Jewish community has a dual allegiance to the state of Israel? I’m asking not to rule out the history of this issue, but in the context in which this was said by Ilhan,” Sisa wrote.
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I give up.
WOW! That might be a relevant statement to make on a 'Who did you vote for vanity thread', here it seems out of place. Now, provide your evidence that everyone who fought in the Confederacy was a Democrat. It would be easier for you to just withdraw your statement. I knew ahead of time you couldn't prove your assertion, hence my challenge. Also, I'm not an asshole as your uncivil tongue suggest, I am a true blue, born and bred Southern sumbitch. Get it right clown.
I agree with nathanbedford’s post. FWIW, as a history buff with a particular interest in the Civil War, I think Nathan Bedford Forrest was one of the most interesting, intelligent and honest of the Civil War generals. He was a remarkable man. By the end of his life, his views on blacks may have been more enlightened than Lincoln’s.
In response to the Pole-Bearers speech, the Cavalry Survivors Association of Augusta, the first Confederate organization formed after the war, called a meeting in which Captain F. Edgeworth Eve gave a speech expressing unmitigated disapproval of Forrest’s remarks promoting inter-ethnic harmony, ridiculing his faculties and judgment and berating the woman who gave Forrest flowers as “a mulatto wench”...
...The Macon Weekly Telegraph newspaper also condemned Forrest for his speech, describing the event as “the recent disgusting exhibition of himself at the negro [sic] jamboree” and quoting part of a Charlotte Observer article, which read “We have infinitely more respect for Longstreet, who fraternizes with negro men on public occasions, with the pay for the treason to his race in his pocket, than with Forrest and [General] Pillow, who equalize with the negro women, with only ‘futures’ in payment”. - Wiki ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest#Speech_to_black_Southerners_(1875) )
“My ancestor served in The Army Of The Potomac.”
My grandfather’s father (born 1835) fought for Indiana during the Civil War. He also named one of his son’s after Robert E Lee. Life lived honestly can be complex.
They sure as hell were fighting for the republican Party, were they. I’m an American. Ok sure, I’ll get you voting lists form the 18060 election They were democrats in the South, they were the majority and had no love for Abraham Lincoln. And I’m not an obamahole or whatever it was you spewed out you jerk. I’ll never understand why you clowns come around a conservative website venerating Southern Democrats. You want proof the Confederacy was Democrat, Google it it.
Please. The man fought for a government that sought to preserve slavery. Sorry but that’s his legacy.
Good, you couldn’t answer the questions I asked you.
“They started a war they couldn’t hope to win.”
Um...they came much closer to winning than you realize. The first chapter of “Landscape Turned Red” might be worth reading.
Regardless, Omar is a disgusting woman whose ARGUMENTS need to be rejected with reason. I think it is obvious she has undivided loyalties, since her loyalty to America is non-existent. She’s a ‘Koran Uber Alles’ kind of gal...
I think the founding fathers would have expected a shooting war before we ever let it get like this.
“The man fought for a government that sought to preserve slavery. Sorry but that’s his legacy.”
Only to someone who rejects the possibility of growth. It is also impossible to assess Forrest without first understanding where he came from. It is very easy to be anti-slavery in the USA today. Had you grown up where Forrest grew up, and when he grew up, what would YOU believe?
BTW - lots of Union generals had no problem at all with slavery.
Omar needs to be rejected because of her views. Views she holds right now.
I know Lincoln didn’t go to war to end slavery. He went to war to preserve the Union and won. The South went to war to preserve slavery and lost everything.
I understand WHY the South fought the war. I also understand that in the end, they lost everything. But they had a real chance of winning, not by fighting a war of attrition but by delivering enough punishment fast enough that the North would reject continued fighting.
I also believe it is wrong to judge them for fighting for slavery. It is easy, now, to say they were wrong. But it is almost impossible for us today to understand the environment in which they grew up.
Heck, my grandfather on my mother’s side [Note: The great grandfather who fought in the Civil War was on my Dad’s side] wanted to be part of the KKK in the north during the 1930s. My grandmother, bless her soul, told him the day he wore a KKK uniform would the day she took the kids and left him forever. He was a lazy man and my grandmother and the kids kept the farm in business, so he backed down.
In the case of Omar, her life has taught her to hate Jews. It remains to be seen if she will ever rise above her childhood. Right now, the democrat party isn’t requiring her to rise above anything! I think the dirty secret is that a lot of democrats, like a lot of Europeans, hate Jews.
The Confederacy enshrined the right to slavery in their Constitution. I used to vote Democrat years ago but started listening to conservative talk radio(and I sobered off the booze) and began coming to Free Republic. The Democrat Party has traditionally hated no only blacks but Jews as well as Catholics(which I am). I know not ever Southerner was not a slave owner but none the less they did fight for those who did own the slaves. Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee were responsible for the worst war in our history, some 700,000 dead. After Gettysburg those two should have realized the war was lost but they continued on for another two years. Don’t you find it... odd that those I’ve been arguing with come to a conservative website and venerate Southern Democrats? Yes I know they see it as their ‘’heritage’’ but really, it strikes me as strange.
Political Parties in the Confederacy
There were no recognized political parties in the Confederate States of America. Most Southerners, including Confederate President Jefferson Davis, opposed political parties, considering them to be a corruption of the principles of republican government. However, many of the members of the Confederate Congress were former Southern Democrats. A few had been Constitutional Unionists or Whigs. While there were no political parties, per se, Confederate politicians often divided over the issue of whether to have a strong central government. Nationalists, including Jefferson Davis, favored giving the Confederate government broad powers, especially in war time. Libertarians, led by Alexander Stephens, favored a very limited confederate government, reserving most powers -- including most war powers -- to the individual states.
https://classroom.synonym.com/civil-warera-political-parties-north-vs-south-8901.html
Let meswell your brain even though you’re sitting on it. The politicians of the Confederacy were Southern Democrats ergo, that was the political party of the Confederacy, Take a hike I’m done with you.
Hang on to your revisionist 'facts'.
Take a hike I’m done with you.
Coward.
Here is an experiment in thought:
Trump minus CA NYC
Popular vote: Trump 62,984,828 Clinton 65,853,514 Clinton by 2,868,686
Clinton carried California by 4,269,978. Without California, Trump would have won the popular vote by 1,401,292. Clinton carried the five boroughs of New York City by 1,670,026 votes: 2,164,575 votes to only 494,549 for Trump.
California and New York City, by themselves, gave Clinton a margin of 5,940,004. Without them, Clinton would still have carried New York state by around 100K, but the popular vote would have been in favor of Trump by over 3 million votes. In the Electoral College, without California, the 304 to 227 vote would have been 304 to 172.
It is obvious that cities vote liberal. It is very obvious that, apart from California and NYC, America is solidly conservative, even with the effect of cities.
Now...does the rest of the country want to have the values of California and NYC imposed on us by majority will? Without the Electoral College, the USA will be utterly dominated by California and NYC. Speaking for myself, I find that horrifying! One state is almost populous enough, and corrupt enough, and DEMOCRAT enough to impose its will on the other 49 states! If it came to it, I’d support a war FORCING California to leave.
That was the situation southerners found themselves in. The North’s population was great enough to impose its will, without meaningful opposition, on the south. And since no new slave-owning states were going to enter the Union, it was only going to get worse.
I do not, in any way, condone slave owning. I do understand those whites who were raised from birth surrounded by bit might assume slavery was OK. Regardless of the issue, what many southerners at the common man level fought for was their way of life. Which, honestly, is how I feel about California and NYC! Why should the other 49 states have our way of life and our values swamped by California and NYC?
My gandfather’s Dad fought for the North, or at least for Indiana. But what I see happening in California is making me sympathetic to why the South left the Union. I would gladly vote to throw California out!
Another fake apology, this time from Belén Sisa, Sanders' national deputy press secretary. What's his FR nick? Thanks knighthawk.
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