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FAA will issue notice that Boeing 737 MAX planes are still airworthy: Source
CNBC ^ | 11 March 2019

Posted on 03/11/2019 1:07:59 PM PDT by Magnatron

The Boeing 737 MAX, the type of plane involved in a deadly crash in Ethiopia over the weekend, is still airworthy and the Federal Aviation Administration plans to issue a notice to the international aviation community later Monday, a person familiar with the matter said.

"The FAA continuously assesses and oversees the safety performance of U.S. commercial aircraft," the FAA said in a statement. "If we identify an issue that affects safety, the FAA will take immediate and appropriate action."

Aviation officials in China and Indonesia ordered domestic airlines to ground their fleets of the popular Boeing single-aisle planes after the deadly crash of one operated by Ethiopian Airlines on Sunday. The 149 passengers and eight crew members on board were killed when the plane crashed shortly after takeoff.

The incident was the second deadly crash of the new Boeing planes in less than five months. A Lion Air Boeing 737 MAX 8 plunged into the Java Sea shortly after taking off from Jakarta in October, killing all 189 people on board.

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The plane is certainly "airworthy". The challenge is that the crews are not being properly trained on the new system design, the system itself is not a simple switch change to deactivate (time is of the essence in these incidents), and that simulator time is difficult as the major airlines using this system do not have MAX simulators available to train on.

It's "airworthy" but not "safe" at the moment.

1 posted on 03/11/2019 1:07:59 PM PDT by Magnatron
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I rode in two of them this past weekend on Southwest Airlines.

For the return trip, the plane was grounded for some unspecified reason, and we got off the ground three hours later on a different 737 Max.

2 posted on 03/11/2019 1:12:12 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill & Publius available at Amazon.)
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I had a return flight from Denver this week that had me riding back-to-back on the MAX. I changed my reservation today.

Nope.

Not yet.


3 posted on 03/11/2019 1:13:35 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Magnatron

Are they using Windows 10 ?


4 posted on 03/11/2019 1:13:48 PM PDT by butlerweave
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Hmmm.......Jakarta, Indonesia........Ethiopia...........Hmmmm..........there must be a connection...............


5 posted on 03/11/2019 1:18:24 PM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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Good, let the FAA fly in them


6 posted on 03/11/2019 1:18:31 PM PDT by ImNotLying (The Constitution is an instrument for the people to restrain the government...Patrick Henry)
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Windows NT. They’re looking for the Win 7 upgrade next year. 10 is out of budget.


7 posted on 03/11/2019 1:19:08 PM PDT by BBQToadRibs
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Are they using Windows 10 ?

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FS2004


8 posted on 03/11/2019 1:19:24 PM PDT by z3n
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Sounds good. Then I’m sure the FAA wouldn’t mind chartering one and flying to 50 airports around the USA to hold some quick press conferences.


9 posted on 03/11/2019 1:22:16 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Yeah there is a connection, they were both brand new planes Max 8 737s, both on the first flight of the day, both crashed in the first few minutes of that flight (13 min Lion air, 6 min Ethiopian) Both had a new anti stall software. Both planes showed a battle to hold altitude with constant violent changes in rate of climb and descent.

Boeing has a problem with this new change to the 737 and better fix this fast even if it is only a matter of training.


10 posted on 03/11/2019 1:27:57 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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The planes may not be the problem.


11 posted on 03/11/2019 1:29:09 PM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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Sounds like Boeing hasn’t debugged their software.

Fly-by-wire can be a deadly mistake...................


12 posted on 03/11/2019 1:30:14 PM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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Why do you ask?


13 posted on 03/11/2019 1:31:06 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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I think the FAA will carefully look at the simulators used by Southwest, American and United, the three US-based airlines have ordered the 737 MAX models. They especially want to look at the experience of Southwest pilots in both simulator training and actual flight operations, who has 34 737 MAX 8's in their fleet.
14 posted on 03/11/2019 1:35:32 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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a discount indonesian airline. ethiopian airlines.

blaming boeing seems a little, er, shortsighted.


15 posted on 03/11/2019 1:36:04 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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You get it!


16 posted on 03/11/2019 1:36:22 PM PDT by Revel
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a 737 max probably takes off every few minutes. diagnosing this on the basis of almost no knowledge from your armchair is just pretentious and dumb.


17 posted on 03/11/2019 1:38:00 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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Just read on MSN that witnesses claim to hear a loud bang and looked up to see flames and debris coming from the aircraft before it crashed. It said the flight tracker only showed one drop in altitude but that drop would have been close to surface elevation. Pilot reported he needed to return but never made it.


18 posted on 03/11/2019 1:42:28 PM PDT by shotgun
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I curious as to if any incidents have taken place on US airlines, and what were the actions taken.
True that there aren’t any MAX-8 simulators.
But I suspect that there is a problem in the software reading the inputs from only 2 AOA sensors, computers can get confused deciding which one is correct, and a third and you go with the 2 that are in agreement. (BTW Airbus uses 3 AOA’s)


19 posted on 03/11/2019 1:43:45 PM PDT by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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The FAA’s opening position always is that until there’s evidence to the contrary, it’s always pilot error.


20 posted on 03/11/2019 1:44:46 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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