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Trump invokes new demand for extracting billions of dollars from U.S. allies
MSN 'News' via Washington Compost ^ | March 10, 2019 | John Hudson, et al

Posted on 03/10/2019 7:52:14 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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“The United States, including under the Trump administration, has had a lot of success in persuading Germany and other NATO allies that they need to contribute more to their own defense,” Rathke said. “That is possible because the spending is directed at a common NATO objective, and that is collective defense,” which is more politically palatable in Western Europe.
1 posted on 03/10/2019 7:52:14 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I like it!


2 posted on 03/10/2019 7:54:13 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob ("Other People's Money" = The life blood of Liberalism)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Sounds like a great idea but I was clueless it is in place. I thought US pay host nations for base rights.


3 posted on 03/10/2019 7:56:05 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Remember....our troops contribute to the economy of these countries. too.


4 posted on 03/10/2019 8:05:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The only two countries that might go for this....South Korea and Poland. Beyond that, it’d the blunt end to NATO, in just 12 months if he pushed it.


5 posted on 03/10/2019 8:05:57 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Trump calls the formula “cost plus 50,” and it has struck fear in the hearts of U.S. allies who view it as extortionate.
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Then buy some planes and tanks and stuff and defend your own country.


6 posted on 03/10/2019 8:08:37 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Sacajaweau

Germany doesn’t even have enough rifles for all their troops. They requested that the US send troops to Africa to help protect their Embassy’s. They had no one to send. The Russians would roll over them in 24 hours if the Poles weren’t in the way.


7 posted on 03/10/2019 8:09:08 AM PDT by Oldexpat (Jobs Not Mobs)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The “plus 50” sounds like a classic opening negotiation position, meant to be negotiated away to get to a stronger-than-otherwise negotiated position.


8 posted on 03/10/2019 8:15:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
From the msn website:FU msn.

FReepers who wish to avoid msn, always a good idea, can read this article straight from the AmazonBezosPost here.

9 posted on 03/10/2019 8:15:31 AM PDT by upchuck (Home schooled kids are educated, not indoctrinated.)
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To: Oldexpat

The USA does need bases in Europe. One for planes and one for ships. Otherwise the USA should get the heck out.


10 posted on 03/10/2019 8:16:36 AM PDT by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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To: pepsionice

Most NATO countries are freeloaders. I would add Japan to your duo, however. They have always paid the full cost of the U.S. bases. Yokota, Kadena, Yokuska, Misawa, Yokohama, three or more bases on Okinawa whose names I don’t remember....that’s a lot of bases to be paying for.


11 posted on 03/10/2019 8:25:14 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“...said current and former U.S. officials, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive negotiations.”

Although this idea has some merit, I will treat it as fake news until I hear differently.


12 posted on 03/10/2019 8:35:46 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Sounds like a great idea. He’ll start with that, and probably settle for 50-50. Even that would be a huge improvement.


13 posted on 03/10/2019 8:41:32 AM PDT by euram
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Then buy some planes and tanks and stuff and defend your own country.

Yeah from US manufacturers.

I think this would be the big win along with bringing ALL of our troops home.

14 posted on 03/10/2019 8:42:04 AM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

US Troops should be on the southern US border.

Screw Germany.

Screw Japan.

Screw Korea.


15 posted on 03/10/2019 8:45:27 AM PDT by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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I think this would be the big win along with bringing ALL of our troops home.


And the winner is Russia! When the US leaves, Europe is almost totally defenseless and would fall under Russian control within the month.With their dependence on Russian gas, Europe is not far away now.


16 posted on 03/10/2019 8:49:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: pepsionice

1. I can see a scenario where certain European countries....Poland, the Balts, etc pay the freight for US troops just to have the trip wire here vs the Ruskies.
2. It would compel the Germans and French to up their defense spending if we pulled out to have a plausible defense vs the Russ....a good thing.
3. Smaller countries like Holland,Norway, Italy, etc could well pay the freight to act as a deterrent to a newly aggressive and conspiratorial Germany and France.
4. The final bill will more closely approximate cost...the plus 50% is just negotiating margin.

5. AND we should off set out Naval cost by assessing a maritime protection fee to keep the sea lanes open and safe.....”That’s a nice ship you have there. Be a shame if something bad happened to it.”


17 posted on 03/10/2019 8:52:34 AM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: Cowboy Bob

T the great winning again


18 posted on 03/10/2019 8:56:02 AM PDT by genghis
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To: shelterguy

Good advice


19 posted on 03/10/2019 8:56:56 AM PDT by genghis
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I am not sure that we need huge military bases in other lands. We have an air force that can rapidly move troops and supplies in huge amounts any where necessary, .So , why not keep our troops home,, to spend at home and be safer at home?


20 posted on 03/10/2019 9:00:09 AM PDT by Sipp
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