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High CO2 could suppress cooling clouds, a climate change model warns
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | February 27, 2019 | by JOEL ACHENBACH

Posted on 02/28/2019 10:00:01 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Stratocumulus clouds are rather boring. They’re not as elegant as cirrus clouds (those horsetail wisps high in the sky) or as majestic as cumulonimbus clouds (big, scary thunderheads). But stratocumulus clouds, which hover low in the sky and create vast decks of cloud cover, have a supreme value in our warming world: Their white tops reflect lots of solar radiation back into space.

But Earth’s broad portfolio of clouds in the year 2019 could potentially be altered by extreme climate change. Those stratocumulus cloud decks could vanish, further intensifying global warming.

That’s the unsettling conclusion of a study published Monday in the journal Nature Geoscience, based on a computer model that provides a new warning that climate change could deliver surprises on top of the already existing and clearly predictable consequences.

The lead researcher, Tapio Schneider, a climate scientist at Caltech, hypothesized that very high levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide could suppress the formation of stratocumulus cloud decks. He and his colleagues modeled the formation of such clouds and, after two years of computer calculations, concluded that the steady rise in atmospheric CO2 could trigger a sudden spike in temperature associated with disappearing stratocumulus clouds.

Matt Huber, a Purdue climate scientist who has studied the effects of clouds on climate, offered a cautious assessment of the new paper. “Whenever you see a surprising result in a climate model, you get concerned that the model is itself just too tippy, that there’s something that should be stabilizing the model,” he said.

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KEYWORDS: globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hoax; propaganda; socialism
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1 posted on 02/28/2019 10:00:01 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

COULD...MAYBE...PERHAPS...WE SPECULATE...etc...


2 posted on 02/28/2019 10:01:21 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
a climate scientist

That is a weatherman.

3 posted on 02/28/2019 10:02:03 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: Army Air Corps

WARNING WILL ROBINSON, WARNING!!!


4 posted on 02/28/2019 10:02:20 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’ve been out clearing the global warming off the driveway every day this week.


5 posted on 02/28/2019 10:02:40 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Slyfox

Workin for the ‘cli-fi channel’?


6 posted on 02/28/2019 10:03:24 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Slyfox

“Computer model suggests”

Yeah let’s destroy the US economy based on that.


7 posted on 02/28/2019 10:05:10 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Until sunspot activity increases, clouds don’t mean spit. We’re headed into a very dramatic cooling phase if sunspots continue at their current low level.


8 posted on 02/28/2019 10:05:44 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is just silly. It is an artifact in a computer model, which has not been validated, and cannot be validated.

It is scare-mongering at an extraordinary level.

Most scientists would look at such a result, and say "hmmm... this model seems to be going crazy. I wonder what we need to adjust...?"

But this guy sees a way to ramp up the fear of climate change.

9 posted on 02/28/2019 10:12:04 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Two primary components of "greenhouse gases":

water vapor = ~95%

CO2 = ~3.5%

There is so much variability in water vapor in the atmosphere that it is IMPOSSIBLE to accurately model.

Therefore, 2 things are true:

Water vapor has the predominant impact on the climate and is NOT 'man made'.

It is NOT POSSIBLE to model the impact of variations of CO2 on the climate.

10 posted on 02/28/2019 10:12:43 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: gibsonguy

“Computer model suggests”

Which should stop breathing first? Us, or plants?


11 posted on 02/28/2019 10:12:56 AM PST by litehaus (A memory toooo long.............)
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To: rktman

As I read your comment, I could not help but have a mental image of the robot flailing his arms.


12 posted on 02/28/2019 10:13:13 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Slyfox

“That is a weatherman.”

Who is in a profession that cannot give an accurate weather forecast beyond 3 days out. Sad.


13 posted on 02/28/2019 10:15:41 AM PST by wildcard_redneck
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To: Slyfox
That is a weatherman.

In my experience, weathermen are much more skeptical of Global Warming than Climate "scientists".

Sort of like gun control. All the police union captions are for it but the rank and file....hardly.

14 posted on 02/28/2019 10:19:49 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: wildcard_redneck

“....3 days....” WOW! Must be pretty mundane weather where you live. This afternoon is questionable at our location. LOL!


15 posted on 02/28/2019 10:20:47 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: gibsonguy

Not that it really matters, but virtually EVERY SINGLE climate model that has been constructed since the 1970s...have all come, and gone. Not a single one has been deemed reliable.

I will admit some models designed for El Nino do exist and work in some positive ways (not to say 100-percent), but beyond that....it should bother climate enthusiasts that forty years of modeling has delivered more or less....nothing of substance.


16 posted on 02/28/2019 10:23:50 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

COULD
COULD
COULD


17 posted on 02/28/2019 10:25:00 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

[[ High CO2 could suppress cooling clouds, a climate change model warns]]

and when it doesn’t the new headline, the ‘new truth’ will be

Lower than predicted CO2 could suppress cooling clouds, a climate change model warns

You can’t win with these folks- EVERYTHING is blamed on CO2


18 posted on 02/28/2019 10:27:29 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Army Air Corps

Horse hockey. IF more moisture is released by the melting of the ice sheets at the poles, it will naturally add to the H2O load in the atmosphere. The humidity will be higher, meaning more clouds not less.

The truth is that we are going to face none of that. The ice sheets will shrink, or grow like they are today. Texas will cool, Texas will warm. California may burn, or be flooded. It is ALL a cycle. A natural cycle, with the most telling word being NATURAL.


19 posted on 02/28/2019 10:34:44 AM PST by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
..climate change model...

A Stormy type model, big blow and all?

20 posted on 02/28/2019 10:35:46 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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