Posted on 02/24/2019 9:32:41 AM PST by dvan
Don’t worry about God. I’m sure He’ll be able to figure out who to forgive.I'd not worried about God. I'd just as soon a child abuser not be given the penance of a few Hail Marys and the peace of mind it might bestow.
This is a win win scenario for libtards while doing nothing to stop molestation.Neither does providing cover for perps inhibit them.
The priest will have to do his job properly. The State trying to break the seal of confession will do nothing to solve this problem.
Honestly this whole concept of turning private citizens/organizations into agents of the State can be opposed on purely conservative small government principles.
Ah, I guess I could see that, but it would seem that supervision is the right place to go when a problem like this is being faced.
My wording was a little unclear there. I meant to say that the priest could not bring up anything outside the confessional to anyone, even to the penitent. The penitent can say talk to anyone given that part of penance can be to apologize and ask forgiveness of someone harmed by their actions or help from others to overcome sinful behavior.
If I confess abortion, does he call 911 for abuse or murder?
How does he know who I am behind that screen in the dark?
I have yet to see anyone give an explanation of how this is supposed to work in practice. Seems like a pretty low bar, for those that support this. Just a walk through on what supposedly is going to happen when a priest is accused of not reporting. What happens then?
Freegards
" This is a foreign state's law overriding our civil law, which is there to protect children, it shouldn't have any say at all."
The Catholic Faith is about bringing souls to Christ.
But you already knew that.
Walk me through it. Someone reports to the authorities that a priest failed to report the abuse of a child he heard about in confession. The priest can’t even admit they heard the confession, much less what was said in it. The priest can’t defend themselves as far as I can see. So the part I don’t get is do they then believe the reporter or what?
Freegards
You misread my post.
That was a nonsequitor. Are children supposed to understand constitutional issues? Or are you just trying to make an emotional illogical appeal to justify eroding our constitutional rights? Like I said tough cases make for bad law.
I don’t know. The reporter will have to be the priest himself, then. And if his conscience can allow him to violate the laws of the society he serves, cover up child abuse, and provide the abuser with some sort of comfort, he’s not someone I’d look up to.
You’re right, of course. All the child knows is that horrible things are happening and no one comes to help.
What if someone just claims that they told a priest they were abusing children, but really didn’t tell a priest? I mean the priest can’t defend himself. I wonder if this will apply to civil cases.
Freegards
I mean the priest can’t defend himself
The priest can’t acknowledge they heard a confession. He can’t say anything. He can’t say anything even if the person confessing wants him to, ‘like tell my husband what I confessed’ or ‘tell these police what I confessed to you.’
Freegards
I don’t know how that would work. The last news from Australia on this subject was August last year, when the church was refusing to recognize the law. Don’t know what’s happened since.
I guess some places have had these types of rules for years, you would think it would have been hashed out by now. But every story I read on this subject never gives an example of how it actually works in practice, or it ever working.
It seems to me there’s no way to defend against this if the priest can’t even acknowledge they heard a particular confession. I wonder if this would be applied to civil cases, would they just get sued into oblivion or what?
Freegards
The bill at the top of the thread is limited in
scope to child abuse. Since that’s a felony,
civil case law would not apply. I don’t think
you can sue someone for child abuse ... but IANAL. ;)
All very true. But do you have a point to make regarding freedom of religion? Or do you just wish to review the horrors of child abuse? Children are also killed with guns. Should we guns be banned along with forced confessions to the government by priests and clergy?
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