NPV sounds like an STI, figures it would emanate from California. :^)
No Red State will agree to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Also, it’s a proposed compact and so would need Congress to agree to it. Good luck getting it through the Senate.
There is an "Anti-" that should be before "Electoral College advocates".
Big difference!
If California doesn’t submit their votes as mandated by the Constitution their votes will not be counted.
oh for crying out loud. Majority votes eliminate the minority voice. And majority votes has caused more hatred in the world as the disenfranchised always resort to violence. Which is why our ancestors created the Electoral College - so the voices of overpopulated city-states could never drown out the voices of the less populated non-urban areas.
The voters in Colorado have already been diluted by commiefornia escapees who brought the bad ideas with them. I do not want my vote decided by those who stayed in commiefornia or new York.
So no matter how your state votes, the lin=berals get the EC votes.
So no matter how your state votes, the liberals get the EC votes.
Why, exactly, would people in a state want to have their own Electors decided by people in OTHER states?
More importantly, states participating in NPV cannot tell NPV states what to do, either. This idiocy is an unenforceable agreement.
Election Day is in early November. The Electoral College vote is held in mid-December. That gives any NPV state 5-6 weeks to have its state legislature change its mind and drop out of the NPV. And that is exactly what will happen in any state where a Republican presidential candidate wins the national popular vote but loses an NPV state.
This is not even remotely Constitutional. The College of Electors is the electoral process for a Presidential election. Each State has a general election— to select the electors pledged to their candidates, and the total votes are counted to decide those electors.
This was by design-— to prevent the possibility of FACTIONS,
a very real problem at different times in US History.
Mathematical proof of the merits of the Electoral College:
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/sep/math-against-tyranny
The EC is a firewall limiting fraudulent ballots - they claim they want “one person, one vote”, what they really want is “one person, 100 votes”. With the EC, no matter how many fraudulent ballots a precinct manufacturers, that state gets no more electoral votes. With NPV, there’s infinite incentive to manufacture ballots by the truckload.
Whenever I hear someone bring up this nonsense I just pose a simple question to them.
“What if President Trump wins the popular vote in 2020?”
If they’re a thinking person, they might say “You know, that’s a good point. This isn’t a good idea.”
Sadly I think it’s mostly non-thinking NPC types pushing this, so I might as well be arguing with the wind.
I'll be LMAO when California or Illinois has to award their EVs to a Republican!
Does anyone of this forum actually believe that if the NPV compact were somehow in place and Trump won the popular vote, that California would have actually abided by it’s purported obligations? Of course not, they would litigate every state, every ballot, harvest what they had to in lib districts to overturn the election results while the establishment Republicans sat on their hands and howled about respecting the process in the name of civility or fairness or comity, or whatever fig leaf they chose that week.
No, they can't. Interstate compacts can not supercede the constitution.
If they change it to a direct vote then it will be important to audit each state’s vote count to make sure they aren’t juicing the vote.
The Electoral College is one of the federal governments enumerated powers in the Constitution, therefore the power is not reserved to the states or to the people as per the 9th and 10th amendments.
It would fail in the Supreme Court unless John Roberts is having another delusional day, which seem to be occurring with greater frequency.