Posted on 02/14/2019 10:56:34 PM PST by plain talk
In his piece “There Is No Green New Deal,” Charlie writes:
What Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has thrust upon our national conversation is not, in any sense, a “Green New Deal.” It does not resemble a Green New Deal. It does not approximate a Green New Deal. It does not so much as represent the shadows or the framework or the embryo of a Green New Deal. It is, instead, the inchoate shopping list of a political novice who has managed to get herself elected to Congress and believes that this has turned her into a visionary.
Implicit in the idea of experimentation from Washington is the idea that planners should not be constrained. Implicit in the idea of a constitutional republic is that they should be. As we put it in our editorial on the Green New Deal, “The Left really has only one idea: control” — and that is the idea implicit in New Deal–style “experimentation.”
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Honestly, I haven’t studied this thing a lot. There’s probably some truth in what you say though. That’s the way these folks work.
Not sure that’s an example of it paying for itself. Seems more like destroying the solvency of the nation.
I’m sure there is if you’re talking to a rational person, but these folks are not rational people. They dismiss you if you make a solid point.
AOC is getting credit for a bill that Democrats in the Senate don't even want to vote on.
She's been selected to be the dingbat who will be associated with this idiocy after all the other Democrats run away from it.
LOL, you think the radical Left is going to abandon her over this? I don’t think the radical Leftist public (millennials, college campus wing-nuts, and more than a few politicians) is going to abandon her, and I’d be very surprised if this doesn’t get in the neighborhood of 25 votes in the Senate.
These people don’t think like you and I do.
But they have to run and win.
That's why Barry Obama was campaigning against "gay marriage" in 2008 ... and why these idiotic statements like eliminating internal combustion engines in 12 years drives every Democrat representing a suburban swing district absolutely nuts.
MSNBC's Deutsch: 'Dangerous' Ocasio-Cortez Will 'Hand Presidency Back to Trump'
We’ll watch this play out. Perhaps your view will prevail.
Look at what the Democrat part stands for today, genocide included, and tell me the Democrats are afraid of any topic up for discussion.
Democrats are defending killing children after they are born, yet you think they will be too embarrassed to support the Green New Deal.
I certainly not as convinced as you are.
Their donors want it. Their voters don't.
It's no different than GOP leaders pushing amnesty without coming out and openly supporting it. Their donors want it. Their voters don't.
I’m finding plenty of support for it out there.
If you think Leftists don’t want this, I think you’re kidding yourself.
But the Democrats can only win elections if they push this idiocy into the background.
You act as if "Leftists" are a huge majority in this country. They're not. Independents that make up a huge component of the voters in suburban districts across this country don't buy into that sh!t.
And yet you have somehow forgotten that Hillary Clinton who supports all this, won the popular vote by about 4 million votes in 2016.
You can find an astute analysis of this here:
The GOP and the Green New Deal
Yet the Democrats will spend the next several weeks or months pushing their new plan, which is "cap and trade" on steroids. President Trump thinks that's just brilliant. He knows this will ensure that blue-collar Democrats, many of whom work or want to work in the fossil fuel and supporting industries, will stay with him as we move toward the 2020 presidential campaign. About 1.9 million Americans work directly in the traditional coal, oil, and gas electric power generation and fuels sector. And, now with the Green New Deal, Democrats are aiming to eliminate their jobs once again. That will not play in Peoria, nor Pittsburgh.
I'll go back and raise the same point I made earlier on this thread: Why the hell are the Democrats in the U.S. Senate so pissed off at Mitch McConnell for bringing this 'Green New Deal' proposal up for a Senate vote?
The answer is obvious: Because it forces Democrats to either vote for something that will be draped around their necks in "purple" states and districts during the next election cycle, or vote against it and expose a major rift in the party.
Thank you for your additional thoughts.
I’m not going to debate this with you all day.
We’ll see how it goes from here. I don’t see this going away.
One more item worth noting here:
Study finds gasoline is more important than healthcare for Americans
I honestly never would have imagined this was the case!
I understand.
Find the documents before they’re scrubbed; they’ve taken it off her website. I just searched “Green New Deal racial disparity” - seems to be an extension of the global reparations request whereas black countries in Africa and the Caribbean are asking civilized countries for money - because apparently they are sh!tholes because of climate change.
Yes, I heard someone address this last week, and it was nowhere to be found.
If Mitch puts it up for a vote, we’ll see it.
I just found this right now; it isn’t even hidden, just hidden by the media: “More, Ocasio-Cortez sees this plan is being a vehicle through which social equality might finally realized through the use of reparations to right historical injustices. The final Green New Deal will “mitigate deeply entrenched racial, regional and gender-based inequalities in income and wealth (including, without limitation, ensuring that federal and other investment will be equitably distributed to historically impoverished, low income, deindustrialized or other marginalized communities in such a way that builds wealth and ownership at the community level).”
https://news.grabien.com/story-ocasio-cortezs-green-new-deal-radical-mandate-government-con
Thank you for providing that link.
Are you aware that part of her plan envisions tearing down almost every building in the United States and rebuilding them with a better environmental impact?
Now that may have just applied to businesses, but even then that’s just inconceivable.
This article did touch on a lot of it.
I’d love to get the original.
I wonder if someone posted it to the forum last week.
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