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The DEA is going way beyond their expertise when essentially prosecutors are determining dose and medical necessity. They are also going beyond the controlled substance act. I doubt any primary and most surgeon will be willing to prescribe opiates when they get these letter. They also would be loath to prescribe opiates to Medicare patient because this is the data to determine whether provider are going to be investigated. Why can't the DEA go after the drug dealer, MS-13, cartels pushing heroin and fentanyl. Is it because they are cowards and would rather terrorize doctors and providers?
1 posted on 02/07/2019 6:45:03 AM PST by grumpygresh
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True that.


2 posted on 02/07/2019 6:46:52 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn't.")
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‘Is it because they are cowards and would rather terrorize doctors and providers?’

same old story; kick sand in the face of the 98 lb weakling, not the big, bad bully...


3 posted on 02/07/2019 6:49:47 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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And next year there will be a new Top 180 prescribers hit list.

Addicts are overwhelmingly young people who started using recreationally. How many young people appear in the Medicare database?


4 posted on 02/07/2019 6:50:56 AM PST by FirstFlaBn
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“Why can’t the DEA go after the drug dealer, MS-13, cartels pushing heroin and fentanyl.“

Those people are dangerous.

L


5 posted on 02/07/2019 6:51:30 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Plan accordingly.)
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The beauty here, is the people who need powerful pain medications won’t be able to get them. That’s how this works. That’s how it always works. “We wouldn’t want you to get addicted” they’ll lecture, to some poor bastard with two weeks to live, in the hospital.

Meanwhile, the druggies are sawz-alling off catalytic converters to scrap for $50, causing thousands of dollars of damage + insurance premiums going up, so they can buy more of this crap on the black market.


6 posted on 02/07/2019 6:54:07 AM PST by Freedom4US
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Break your arm....take two Ibuprofen and call me in the morning.


7 posted on 02/07/2019 6:54:35 AM PST by servantboy777
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“I doubt any primary and most surgeon will be willing to prescribe opiates when they get these letter.

You’re right. It’s being proved in Michigan. Not sure I have a good handle on it but, I’ve been looking for a new primary, and every one I’ve talked to said up front they won’t prescribe you pain-killers whether or not you even ask them about it.

Apparently some law went into effect last summer that requires when prescribing pain-killers that a physician must first consult the state’s database that supposedly has a complete list of all the prescriptions you’ve gotten in your life.

It appears that people in pain are being increasingly referred to pain specialists. I have my first meeting with one today at 2 p.m. Lately I’ve been taking 1600-3200 mg of ibuprofen per day for neck and back pain. Not supposed to be taking NSAIDs. Was getting Tramadol from my primary but she won’t do it any more.


8 posted on 02/07/2019 6:58:02 AM PST by be-baw
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Doctors from WV opened “Pill Boxes” in SW Va a few years back. It took the feds quite a while to root them out. They were basically acting as drug dealers for addicts and getting federal money to boot.


9 posted on 02/07/2019 6:58:27 AM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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You are correct. I understand wanting to get this under control, but it is turning into a nightmare for legitimate pain patients.


11 posted on 02/07/2019 7:02:39 AM PST by Grenada
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There are legitimate reasons to prescribe strong analgesics. Surgeons,Oncologists and even dentists have good reason to prescribe them for at least short periods...and Oncologists,at least,have good reason to do so for *long* periods.

But it's just as surely true that there are quacks and crooks who hand it out like candy...for a price.

At the hospital where I worked for decades we had a regular patient (we called them "frequent fliers") who had genuine hemophilia...a very nasty and troublesome condition.However,he was also addicted to narcotics and we had reason to believe that he was selling them as well.

To get narcotics from us he's deliberately traumatize his feet and ankles...which would cause him to bleed badly.And he'd get the narcotics,Finally,our legal department sent him a letter saying that he was welcome to come to us for care whenever he wanted to...but that he'd get no more narcotics from us.

We never saw him again.

Who knows how he's getting treatment for his hemophilia!

12 posted on 02/07/2019 7:06:14 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Mitt Romney: Bringing Massachusetts Values To The Great State Of Utah.)
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My sister has just had knee replacement surgery. Her doctor is not prescribing opiods for the pain...probably just because of the danger of getting in trouble with the DEA (just my opinion). She is suffering from unnecessary pain!


25 posted on 02/07/2019 7:47:38 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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It all has to do with the left breaking down every medical process there is so they can build their single payer systems.


27 posted on 02/07/2019 7:51:06 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Millennials are Morons)
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What do you want to bet that 99% of these ‘prescribers’ are pain management doctors?


29 posted on 02/07/2019 7:52:13 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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90% of the deaths from opoids are black tar heroin, fentanyl. The DEA should be a convenience store.


35 posted on 02/07/2019 8:50:21 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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“Is it because they are cowards and would rather terrorize doctors and providers?”

That and the politicians are likely paid off by the cartels. I’ve said it before, want to put an end to the opioid “crisis”? Seal up the southern border tighter than Dick’s hat band.
Fentanyl? The same and inspect every container arriving from China.


36 posted on 02/07/2019 9:07:39 AM PST by oldvirginian ( Buckle up kids, rough road ahead.)
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I am having to deal with the ramifications of this same policy in my state. I have pain 24/7 and am now attempting to deal with a pain clinic whose mission seems to be deny meds to all who darken their door. If this doesn’t work I guess I will have to purchase meds on the street.

If you have chronic pain I hope you have a doctor who has a set, if not welcome to world.


41 posted on 02/07/2019 8:02:36 PM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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This comes from the leadership of the dea. The rank and file are good guys and would never approve of this.

(do I really need the /s?)


44 posted on 02/07/2019 8:40:09 PM PST by Ken H (2019 => The House of Representin')
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I'm very against all drug use/abuse.....we've become a nation of whiners and wimps depending on drugs to get us "thru"...

having said that, when the govt goes after somebody, are they actually protecting and promoting someone else....

aka....the drug cartels.....no oxy prescriptions.....force the addicts to get it illegally or use heroin.....

46 posted on 02/07/2019 8:46:13 PM PST by cherry
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