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Kansas judge calls girls, 13 and 14, the 'aggressor' in a child sex solicitation case
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| February 4, 2019
| Robert Gearty
Posted on 02/04/2019 3:19:18 PM PST by jazusamo
Kansas judge Michael Gibbens (l.) sentenced Raymond Soden, 67, (r.) in a child sex solicitation
case after saying the two victims, girls, 13 and 14 were "more agressor than a participant in the
criminal conduct." (Leavenworth County Bar Association/ Kansas Department of Corrections)
A Kansas judge has come under fire for saying in court that two girls--solicited by an online predator to have sex with him when they were 13 and 14--were partly to blame for what happened to them.
I do find that the victims in this case, in particular, were more an aggressor than a participant in the criminal conduct, Leavenworth County Judge Michael Gibbens said in remarks delivered at a December sentencing for a 67-year-old man who paid for sex with the two girls, according to a report in the Kansas City Star.
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: childsex; cometpingpong; joebiden; judgegibbens; kansas; lookslikeq; minors; pedophilejudge; pedophiles; podesta; raymondsoden; sexsolicitation; solicitation
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Raiford quail we called them in Florida in the 60s
There is a state prison in Raiford
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posted on
02/04/2019 5:38:54 PM PST
by
ChildOfThe60s
(If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
To: sparklite2
This isn’t pedophilia. The girls are not young enough for that. There is another term for it which at the moment eludes me
42
posted on
02/04/2019 5:44:14 PM PST
by
ChildOfThe60s
(If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
To: jazusamo
Why isn’t he already gone? Girls that young are not responsible for their behavior. I don’t care how mature and aggressive their behavior is, they’re kids. A judge should be protecting them from sex trafficking, not hiring them.
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posted on
02/04/2019 5:46:53 PM PST
by
grania
("We're all just pawns in their game")
To: IronJack
What the guy then does is called whoremongering. Both parties re then evil, regardless of either’s age. Legal results may vary.
To: jazusamo
Correct. It should be strict liability anyway, with the minimum sentencing spelled out in statute. Stupid judge. Should never had said that.
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posted on
02/04/2019 5:51:58 PM PST
by
SgtHooper
(If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
To: ChildOfThe60s
Yeah, I know what you mean. I can’t think of it either.
46
posted on
02/04/2019 5:56:01 PM PST
by
sparklite2
(Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
To: grania; All
Why isn’t he already gone? Girls that young are not responsible for their behavior. I don’t care how mature and aggressive their behavior is, they’re kids. They do not become responsible, instant adults when they reach the age of 14, 15, 16, 17, or 18.
Some people never become very responsible.
Some people are very responsible at age 12.
In a lot of societies, Maturity was assumed with sexual maturity.
We make a bright line at various ages.
To claim that 13 and 14 year old girls are not responsible for their behavior is a long stretch. They are not infants or babies in the crib.
They are not deemed responsible enough for contracts or marriage, but they certainly bear some responsibility.
47
posted on
02/04/2019 6:01:36 PM PST
by
marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
To: ChildOfThe60s; Sparklite
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posted on
02/04/2019 6:09:06 PM PST
by
ExGeeEye
(For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
To: Responsibility2nd
More like...
Creep #1: Yes I paid to have sex with two young girls.
Bad girls 1 AND 2: Yes we took his money and performed the acts.
Prosecution: Give him 12 years judge.
Judge: That will be 6 years in jail for Creep #1. The girls went to his house and committed illegal acts also.
49
posted on
02/04/2019 6:44:21 PM PST
by
Pikachu_Dad
("the media are selling you a line of soap)
To: Responsibility2nd
and a 67 year old man + 6 years is 73 years old.
It may not make any difference if he was given 6 years or 12 years given his age.
50
posted on
02/04/2019 6:45:39 PM PST
by
Pikachu_Dad
("the media are selling you a line of soap)
To: marktwain
No, they don’t bear any responsibility. The Judge knew it was wrong. The girls were probably playing out a fantasy.
51
posted on
02/04/2019 6:49:25 PM PST
by
grania
("We're all just pawns in their game")
To: grania
See post #50. The 67 year old got six years in prison.
The girls got off with no punishment.
52
posted on
02/04/2019 6:53:18 PM PST
by
marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
To: ExGeeEye
Thank you.
The term I was thinking of is pederasty, which I realized was not correct for this.
I’m not up on all the proper terms for perversions.
53
posted on
02/04/2019 7:12:50 PM PST
by
ChildOfThe60s
(If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
To: marktwain
Many 13 and 14 year old girls are sexually mature and promiscuous. We may not like that fact. But it is true.
13 or 14 year old girls may or may not be promiscuous.
But they are always 13 or 14 years old.
54
posted on
02/04/2019 7:25:46 PM PST
by
gogeo
(Liberal politics and mental instability; coincidence, correlation, or causation?)
To: marktwain
I'm no fan of forever labels as sex offenders lists for those whose crimes have been addressed and there's been an appropriate punishment. I do think some guys get unjustly accused and that some of the crimes aren't crimes. I do believe that our society has to be less slutty and that little girls should look and dress and participate in supervised activities like little girls.
But a 67 year old Judge that age taking advantage of young teenage girls? Six years in prison is not enough. Maybe what should happen to those girls is some kind of total supervision until they're 18 or so.
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posted on
02/05/2019 3:18:27 AM PST
by
grania
("We're all just pawns in their game")
To: grania
But a 67 year old Judge that age taking advantage of young teenage girls? Six years in prison is not enough. Maybe what should happen to those girls is some kind of total supervision until they're 18 or so. The 67-year-old is not a judge. I can see how you became confused on this point, as the story demonizes the judge as much as the 67-year-old.
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posted on
02/05/2019 4:31:58 AM PST
by
marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
To: marktwain
Gotcha', my mistake. So people are asking that the person who attacked them get more jail time and the judge be removed from office. I can agree that at this point the sentence shouldn't be changed, but no early parole. And, yeah, the judge should step down immediately or be removed from office.
And people who are still abusing young boys and girls? I don't get it. How stupid can they be?
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posted on
02/05/2019 5:04:55 AM PST
by
grania
("We're all just pawns in their game")
To: grania
And people who are still abusing young boys and girls? I don't get it. How stupid can they be? It is difficult to overcome biology with mixed cultural programming.
58
posted on
02/05/2019 5:08:09 AM PST
by
marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
To: grania
Girls that young are not responsible for their behavior. Boys that age engage in drug dealing, theft, and robbery. They are old enough to be aware of what they are doing.
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posted on
02/05/2019 5:10:29 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
To: marktwain
The girls got off with no punishment. At the least, the older sister who was allegedly pimping them out should have been charged, and the girls taken away from the environment into foster care.
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posted on
02/05/2019 5:13:04 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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