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The Cops Were the Aggressors in This Week's Deadly Houston Drug Raid
Reason ^ | 1-29-19 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 01/31/2019 8:38:46 AM PST by slumber1

On Monday evening in Houston, a dozen armed men broke into the home of Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas, a middle-aged couple who had lived in the house at 7815 Harding Street for at least two decades. The first man through the door, who was armed with a shotgun, used it to kill one of the couple's dogs. Tuttle responded to the home invasion by grabbing a revolver and shooting the man with the shotgun, who collapsed on a sofa in the living room. As Nicholas tried to disarm the intruder, his accomplices shot her. Tuttle returned fire, and by the end of the shootout he and his wife were both dead. Four of the assailants were hit by gunfire, while a fifth injured his knee.

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To: Kazan
You're pigheaded idiot. You can't swallow your pride and admit you're wrong. You are.

Projecting is such an ugly thing.

281 posted on 08/23/2019 2:46:32 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
Projecting is such an ugly thing.

I'm not wrong yet. This officer has to be convicted to be guilty of murder. You're aware that a defendant is innocent in a court of law until proven guilty? How officers that are charges end up being convicted?

282 posted on 08/23/2019 2:59:36 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MileHi
I'm the one waiting for the actual evidence at trial to come out before I have an opinion.

You're the one that proclaimed the officers guilty before one was charges. You're still doing it that before a jury or conviction.

283 posted on 08/23/2019 3:01:51 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MileHi
I guess they didn't. The cops were shot by cops. And they lied. And murdered two people.

There we have it -- before charges were filed, you claimed that. And, you're still doing it, proclaiming the officer guilty before evidence comes out a a trial or before a conviction.

You are aware a conviction is needed for a murder to have occurred and that hasn't happened yet?

Do you not believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty?

284 posted on 08/23/2019 3:06:26 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: kiryandil
I'll note that the innocent couple was pronounced guilty

No, they weren't shot because they were pronounced guilty. They were shot because a pit bull was turned loose on police officers and one of them had firearm.

The moral of the story is -- don't resist arrest. If the police do something illegal, then there are legal ways of holding them accountable.

285 posted on 08/23/2019 3:09:59 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
I'm not wrong yet.

Yeah, you are and have been. And you were quite an ass about it, too.

And a bunch of other cops have lawyered up, too. Know why? Texas is a felony murder state, so they can all be charged.

As to your lame ass "they haven't been convicted yet", remember this question you never answered?:

Let's make this easy. Hillary has not been charged. Is she therefore innocent of wrongdoing? Answer the question.

These cops are dirty, they lied to get the warrant, they killed innocent people, and they lied to cover it up. Oh, and yeah, the cops were shot by cops. Like I said in the first place.

286 posted on 08/23/2019 3:21:50 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Kazan
...and one of them had firearm.

Presumes facts not in evidence.

287 posted on 08/23/2019 3:25:33 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Kazan

I don’t blame you for running to hide. You’ve made a complete fool of yourself on this thread.


288 posted on 08/23/2019 6:11:49 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
Who's going to be hiding if the officer is acquitted?

You're a such a moron that you equate charges with guilt.

289 posted on 08/23/2019 7:06:19 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MileHi
No evidence has been presented in court, yet you want to make assumptions about the officer's guilt. You've done it from the start.

The ONLY way the officer is going to be found guilty is if the other officers there testify that he wasn't acting in self-defense. And, no one has any idea if that is going to be the case.

290 posted on 08/23/2019 7:07:44 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MileHi
they killed innocent people

There you go again, fueled by anti-police hatred, making assumptions that you have no idea are true. That's been true from the very start.

291 posted on 08/23/2019 7:09:37 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Well, the first thing wrong is you posting a libertarian smear tactic by Reason.”

It doesn’t seem like a smear tactic now, does it.

L


292 posted on 08/23/2019 7:13:39 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: MileHi
Yeah, you are and have been.P> What have I been wrong about? Unless an officer is CONVICTED of murder, I have yet to be.

You're the one assuming things you can't possibly know about what went on and rejecting a presumption of innocence.

This not comparable to Hillary's email because it was determined she did put out classified information on a private server. Comey concluded that and refused to press charges.

The only people that know whether this officer is guilty of murder are witnesses and none of them have been heard from.

293 posted on 08/23/2019 7:13:41 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MileHi
As to your lame ass "they haven't been convicted yet", remember this question you never answered?:

What's lame ass is for someone a-hole online to think he knows what happened when he wasn't there. The only people alive that know are the other officers. If you can't grasp that, you're not too bright.

294 posted on 08/23/2019 7:15:58 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

“The police officers have not been charged with murder and likely won’t be.“

It sees they have been charged. So there’s that.

“So stop accusing them of murder.”

Now it’s the DA doing that.

L


295 posted on 08/23/2019 7:16:12 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Kazan

“The only people that know whether this officer is guilty of murder are witnesses and none of them have been heard from.”

Are you really that stupid? Of course witnesses have been heard from. Do you think the DA pulled these charges out of his backside? He has evidence. That means witnesses.

Quit while you’re miles behind.

L


296 posted on 08/23/2019 7:20:03 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Kazan

Again, with the insults. Of course, that’s all you’ve got because you’ve been wrong about everything. You just aren’t man enough to admit you are wrong.

No one “sicced” the dog on the cops. Dogs react to intruders.

No firearms were recovered from the murdered couple.

They were not drug dealers

The cops lied before and after the murders.

The cowboy cops shot each other.

Those are the facts.

Do you really think the cop was charged with two counts of murder with a weak case? Cops ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt.

Do you REALLY think the two cops will be exonerated? Or do you just hope they will so you won’t look the buffoon you clearly are?

I’ll tell you, more cops will likely be charged.

You keep defending murder under the color of law, it adds to your shame.

Oh, and you still didn’t answer my question about Hillary. Of course you can’t because it would put the lie to your lame ass “they haven’t been convicted” nonsense. And you had to move to “convicted” because your “they haven’t been charged” line of crap is up in smoke.

Are you this pathetic in everyday life?


297 posted on 08/23/2019 7:26:46 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Lurker
I doubt all the officers are going to testify that the officer charged acted inappropriately.

But, DAs never overcharge and loses cases, do they?

298 posted on 08/23/2019 7:27:34 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Lurker
Being charged is not the same as being convicted by jury. Are you too ignorant not to know that?

Good grief, you act like DAs never lose cases. That's what stupid.

299 posted on 08/23/2019 7:29:00 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Lurker
Of course witnesses have been heard from.

All the witnesses say he's guilty? How in hell would you know that?

300 posted on 08/23/2019 7:30:16 PM PDT by Kazan
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