Posted on 01/23/2019 9:29:04 PM PST by Kaslin
As a lawyer, one of my most important jobs is telling people No, as in No, you got shafted and lied about by scummy people but you have no remedy in the courthouse. I tell that to a lot of people all the time. It makes them sad, but my destiny was never to bring joy but to bring pain. The hard fact is that you dont want to get into any lawsuit if you can help it, and you especially dont want to get into one that you cant win. And when it comes to lawsuits over damage to your reputation, you mostly cant win.
Before we go further, Im not your lawyer. Do not take this as legal advice. If you think you have a case, you go talk to a lawyer licensed in your state and ask him, her or xim about it. Now proceed
You mostly cant win because of our First Amendment and how we lean over backwards to let people speak their minds well, we do, and the courts do, even if institutions run exclusively by liberals (such as academia) dont. Remember the Clock Boy case? He sued Ben Shapiro for defamation, lost because we can still express our opinions in America even if people dont like them, and ended up with a big judgment against him (I was one of the lawyers on Bens legal team). But then there are some cases, like the one that drove a stake through Gawkers shriveled heart, and the one by the defamed frat boys of UVA against Rolling Stone. Ive won big libel recoveries for plaintiffs, so it happens. Its just rare, because its the hardest kind of civil lawsuit. And it should be.
So, can the Covington Kids sue? The short answer yes.
Well, thats actually not much of an answer, because as Eugene Grace, the guy who taught me how to try a case, used to say, To sue someone all you need is a filing fee and a typewriter. Im that old. Anyway, the problem is getting up to the point where the jury finds for the plaintiff and then getting the appellate court to uphold it.
The first question is who do you sue? Nathan Phillips? Im guessing hes not a particularly deep pocket. Plus, hes just another fringie activist guy. People are annoyed with him now; you sue him and you look like you are picking on a sad old man.
Sue Twitter, for letting those poisonous lies proliferate? Thats challenging, for several reasons. But while it is awful in many situations, here its role was mostly as a forum. A forum for garbage, but a forum nonetheless. Yeah, the hypocrisy of allowing liberal blue checks to spread their murder fantasies unimpeded while banning conservatives for innocuous comments is galling, thats not the real issue here.
The real issue is the whipping up of a bloodthirsty frenzy against these kids based on what people knew were lies. That means the media and the Twitter blue check sociopaths who ginned up this frenzy. But this claim fits uneasily into the legal framework we have today, which is one that predates social media mobbing.
Traditional libel is a written derogatory statement of fact that is false and causes damage. There are lots of bells and whistles about it (public figures have different rules than regular folks this is one situation where the famous have a disadvantage compared to Normals) but those are the basic elements. But does that work here?
A defense attorney will characterize the garbage takes of the media, the lefty blue checks and hack celebs as opinion, not fact. Remember, an opinion is not actionable. A statement of fact is. I think youre dishonest is different from I think you robbed the bank. One test is if it can be disproved objectively. For instance, you could say CNN is terrible. That is an opinion, and its not one that can be proven objectively there is no way to measure being terrible, at least not yet NASA scientists are hard at work on the Lemon-Stelter Scale to measure awfulness, so maybe someday.
And damage is an issue too. Traditionally, except in certain cases, you have to show a monetary loss. But how do you do that for teenager crucified on the web?
There may be ways to fit the facts of this social media lynch mob inside the traditional libel framework, but is this really even libel as we knew it before the web? You print a newspaper article falsely saying Joe Schmoe is a drug addict and people talk and thats bad, but this is calculated, weaponized lying using deceptively edited video designed to destroy any future these kids might have. In 50 years that poor dude who had the recon ranger drumming in his face will still have these garbage lies come up when someone searches his name.
Do we as a society want to countenance people ignoring contrary evidence that is readily available to them to destroy the lives of kids to fulfill their creepy agendas? What happened here is more than just libel (though I think it is libel). Its also a mixture of invasion of privacy and probably a civil rights violation in terms of them being targeted for their race, their religion, and the political expression manifested by their headgear.
Liberals love to say the Constitution is a living document, which is stupid because they are stupid, but the case law as set down by court precedent? Well, that does evolve. And if you get the right venue like, I dunno, Kentucky and survive a motion to dismiss (though Kentucky has no anti-SLAPP statute) and you put this behavior in front of a jury well remember Gawker?
You go after the media targets, the ones who you can prove via their tweets and news reports knew the truth but didnt print it to support their agenda. You find the Twitter trolls who circulated these lies and then find out their paymasters. And you find the blue check psychos demanding these kids be murdered for their race, religion, gender, and the baffled smile, in the face of the abuse that these liars hid from their audience.
Its a new age. Its brought forth new atrocities. We need to decide as a society whether we are going to accept this dreadful phenomenon or stamp it out by making the perpetrators pay. If the old legal framework cannot right this wrong, then we need to create a new legal framework that will. And you do that by suing the hell out of them.
I just checked the Diocese of Covington website and they still have their revised statement which implies that the investigation may find that the students were in the wrong. No apology for rushing to judgment and condemning the students based on Nathan Phillips’ statement.
FWIW, Id like to see Maxine Waters on the hot seat.
This is the most infuriating thing about all three of these stories. In this case, the UVA rape hoax, and the Duke Lacrosse Team rape hoax the schools themselves rushed to declare their own students guilty. Of course the Duke case was the worst of these because those fellows were actually charged with serious crimes. Now, how did that work out? The prosecutor ended up disbarred (which is a quite extreme result so he must have acted completely egregiously) and the stripper who falsely accused them is now doing hard time for actually killing a guy. In the UVA case, since that was 100% BS the school punished the entire Greek Community. And in this case that despicable “bishop” is still on the pile on pile.
These people are disgraceful, and it is frightening to see how they dance to the tune of the Left and the MSM (but I repeat myself).
Still sure you want to sue?
Yes, “Sorry” don’t buy much these days.
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