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To: lowbridge

This is why Tesla cars never stood a chance in the long term. The hard part of building an electric car is the car, not the electric. Musk was naive to the extreme to believe the major auto manufacturers would sit idly by and let him dominate the market, and they all already have decades experience in building the car part of electric cars. Plus they can sell electric cars as loss leaders and subsidize their production with profits from ICE cars. Musk can only subsidize his losses with government charity.

And it also was inevitable that the existing manufacturers eventually would “Preston Tucker” Musk.


2 posted on 01/15/2019 12:03:24 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

Cars made to be sold in sunny CA. In the real world, where AC and heat are must, E vehicles are still a beautique fad.


3 posted on 01/15/2019 12:06:50 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Paal Gulli

” The hard part of building an electric car is the car, not the electric.”

Here’s a video about a guy who is buying a certified used Tesla. He put the $2500 down in early November and was hoping to have the car by Christmas. It’s not going well for him, so far: It isn’t just the quality control of the build that is difficult, there’s also customer service.

https://youtu.be/AgMTx_xFezM


4 posted on 01/15/2019 12:33:56 PM PST by j. earl carter
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To: Paal Gulli
In 2010 the price of lithium ion batteries was over a $1000 per kwa but have fallen to $200/kwa and are supposed to be $100/kwa in 2020 and eventually will be $25/kwa.

These batteries are increasing in density by about 6-7 percent per year

The new batteries which are solid state batteries have been made in the lab and many different groups are scaling up to try to manufacture. They are cheaper, charge very fast, don't heat up and cause fires and don't need to be cooled.

A lot of the cost to make a ice car and repair an ice is the drive train plus a fuel system, exhaust system, and cooling system. Because EV have none of that, they are easier to make than ice cars.

Eventually the EVs will be very cheap and many people who make their living on ice cars and producing the fuel will be displaced

6 posted on 01/15/2019 12:49:29 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Paal Gulli

His cars have less than stellar reliability and build quality as well. Though until capacative batteries are perfected electric cars will remain a niche market.

It’s closer than you think by using graphene.


9 posted on 01/15/2019 1:36:22 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Paal Gulli

Actually, Tesla made a reasonable (at the time) bet that US government pressure would grow quickly to mandate EVs, and that a larger traditional car company would overpay for his groundwork. His gamble didn’t pay off big, but it hasn’t broken him yet either.


18 posted on 01/15/2019 2:40:47 PM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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