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The Path to Give California 12 Senators, and Vermont Just One (barf alert)
The Atlantic ^ | 1-2-2019 | Eric W. Orts

Posted on 01/05/2019 5:13:44 AM PST by Impy

In 1995, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan declared, “Sometime in the next century the United States is going to have to address the question of apportionment in the Senate.” Perhaps that time has come. Today the voting power of a citizen in Wyoming, the smallest state in terms of population, is about 67 times that of a citizen in the largest state of California, and the disparities among the states are only increasing. The situation is untenable.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: New York; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: 17thamendment; 2018election; 2020election; article5; election2018; election2020; looneyleft; looneytunes; senate
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To: Impy

That’s at the heart of why the left wants more Senators per (left-wing) state, of course. Very imperial Romanesque, right?


21 posted on 01/05/2019 5:50:01 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Impy

This old saw is made irrelevant by the fact that people in North Dakota can only vote for three electors where as those in Pennsylvania can vote for twenty. Which get more attention in presidential elections?


22 posted on 01/05/2019 5:50:14 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys all aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: GraceG

Which is why the 17th Amendment was such a bad idea.

Took the power away from the state legislative bodies.


23 posted on 01/05/2019 5:51:00 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

That’s why Wilson wanted that amendment so badly. State governments get shut out of DC and power gets centralized. As he put it, “socialism and democracy are almost, if not quite, one and the same. […] (m)en as communities are supreme over men as individuals”.


24 posted on 01/05/2019 5:52:03 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: rintintin
Split up these huge -mostly blue - states for purposes of senate representation, so their voiceless conservative citizens can have their own senators

The end result would be far more new Democrat senators in the Senate than Republican senators.

25 posted on 01/05/2019 5:52:26 AM PST by libh8er
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To: Impy

“... The situation is untenable”

Ah no. It’s very tenable. If anything, I would propose the reverse. California has at least 5 million illegal aliens living and voting there. This means California is OVER represented in congress. They should either have to lose 12 congressional seats or one Senate seat to make up for stealing real American citizen votes.

How do you like that proposal, you butt wipe maggots at the Atlantic.


26 posted on 01/05/2019 5:54:35 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: GraceG

Exactly. Make it 6 states, then we can talk.


27 posted on 01/05/2019 5:57:34 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: All

In 1780 the voters of Georgia had about 20 times the voting power as the voters in Virginia. Maybe they knew what they were doing when they set up the senate?


28 posted on 01/05/2019 5:57:59 AM PST by loucon
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To: Impy

There is no point or advantage for any state with a smaller population to remain in the union if this dopey idea were to ever make it through the amendment process.


29 posted on 01/05/2019 5:58:08 AM PST by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We MAGA)
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To: Impy

Certainly don’t trust this clown’s legal judgment...


30 posted on 01/05/2019 5:59:20 AM PST by sauropod (Yield to sin, and experience chastening and sorrow; yield to God, and experience joy and blessing.)
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To: Impy

One word -> NO!


31 posted on 01/05/2019 6:01:40 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Impy
Democrats are going psychotic cause they don't control the Senate.

It's not just that they don't control the Senate now.

They foresee a future where they will have a hard time controlling the Senate for decades -- even as the populations of rural states decline relative to their urban counterparts.

32 posted on 01/05/2019 6:01:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: Impy

It’s like watching monkeys trying to fix a car engine.

Just start repealing amendments from the last one until it starts working again, dummies! I swear, the U.S. Consitution was amended by people who couldn’t wipe the a$$es of those who wrote it.

The Senate is SUPPOSED to be a body with non-democratic representation of individual citizens. How do you think you can keep the MOB from just voting itself other people’s stuff?

In fact, we have let liberal idiots and well-meaning retards break the design of the Federal Government so much with Amendments, that you can see it already failing, now. The Senate is just the House on steroids, and is, in no way, a counterbalance to it. The Supreme Court is now a Liberal body, swimming in estrogen.

Pray for the dying republic.


33 posted on 01/05/2019 6:02:07 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Impy

From author’s bio :

Director: Initiative for Global Environmental Leadership.

Reseach interests (among others): environmental law and policy.


34 posted on 01/05/2019 6:02:13 AM PST by libh8er
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To: GraceG

Repealing the 19th amendment would nullify the need for the other listed changes.


35 posted on 01/05/2019 6:03:01 AM PST by Beagle8U (Beto went to Liz Warren's genealogist to prove that he was 1/1000 Hispanic.)
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To: libh8er

The end result would be far more new Democrat senators in the Senate than Republican senators.

I’m not sure that’s true. Most of the big population states are now represented by Dems , with no senators to speak for their Republican voters


36 posted on 01/05/2019 6:04:58 AM PST by rintintin (q)
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To: Impy

This REALLY IS a tale told by an idiot!


37 posted on 01/05/2019 6:06:39 AM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: PeteB570

Using smoky back room machine polotics to select Senatorial candidates was certainly bad. But letting the “democracy” mob do it is FAR FAR worse.


38 posted on 01/05/2019 6:06:57 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: rintintin
There are two general challenges with breaking up big states:

1. The Constitution was written with the expectation that states would be added to the original thirteen as the frontier was settled and new territories acquired. However, the Constitutional also contains a provision that requires the consent of a state legislature before a new state could be created out of the territory of an existing state. In the case of California, this might be workable because the leftists out there would have a strong incentive to increase their representation in the U.S. Senate from two to four, six, or even more.

2. However, the admission of new states also requires the consent of Congress. Look at Congress as it's set up now. What incentive does the GOP-led Senate have to admit two or more new states that would simply add Democrats to the Senate?

This isn't a new issue, by the way. These questions were asked almost every time new states were admitted to the Union -- which is why they were often admitted in pairs or groups (one in the North and one South, for example) as part of political compromises.

39 posted on 01/05/2019 6:14:26 AM PST by Alberta's Child (In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.)
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To: Impy

If they want the Senate to look more like the House, why even have a Senate?

If any brains remain when this happens, any changes like these will cause several states to secede. Then, given the idiocracy that allowed the changes, a devastating war to try to destroy those states.


40 posted on 01/05/2019 6:15:53 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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