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Sending astronauts to Mars would be stupid, says Apollo 8 pilot [Musk mentioned]
Fox News ^ | December 26, 2016 | Christopher Carbone

Posted on 12/26/2018 11:34:23 AM PST by jazusamo

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To: jazusamo

Super interesting program, but with no magnetosphere, how would a terraformed Mars retain an atmosphere..?

You would make one, and it would float off into space.

I’m still very interested.

I think the biggest barrier to a habitable Mars would be this new, vaguely Khymer Rougian notion that any mancentric effort to improve a place —any place— is disruptive or infectious, making in some sense worse; damaged and made somehow unfair:

“Earth as a fever and the virus is MANKIND”

I think the minute they try to exploit and USE Mars, you’re going to have tons of insane people caterwauling about “man is DESTROYING Mars”.


21 posted on 12/26/2018 12:09:00 PM PST by gaijin
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To: John W

Forget about Mars. Just look at the moon. The Apollo program was terminated and nobody has been back there in decades because THAT was not a worthwhile pursuit, either.


22 posted on 12/26/2018 12:14:25 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I'm a cool dude in a loose mood! Hey -- two ginger ales for my girls!")
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To: Jarhead9297

Cost seem to be around 400 Billion for a Mars trip. In Governmentspeak that means around 2 trillion. Or about a third of the cost of our retarded wars or convenience with the camel jockeys.

The Mars trip would be better for humanity and America than pissing it away down the Afghan/Syrian/Iraqi/Libya/Pakistani/Ukrainian rathole.


23 posted on 12/26/2018 12:14:38 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: jazusamo

Sending a solar monitoring station there could be of some benefit to get climate forecasting here. But that need not be manned.


24 posted on 12/26/2018 12:15:17 PM PST by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L,J,Keslin posting here for the record)
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To: forgotten man

A thirty mile diameter crater with a mile thick glacier is a starting point.


25 posted on 12/26/2018 12:17:42 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Almost no atmosphere is a benefit in applying a mass-driver to fire metal shipments to a cargo destination.


26 posted on 12/26/2018 12:21:05 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: I cannot think of a name

Walk around the local neighborhood?


27 posted on 12/26/2018 12:23:06 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I wondered how many billions of dollars the government spent on saving one man while millions are homeless and sick and hungry.


Left-winger much?


28 posted on 12/26/2018 12:25:16 PM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: jonascord

“Ship the Stupids to Mars,...”


It is cheaper to just shoot them, by at least 7 orders of magnitude, maybe more, even including raising armies to do it.

Exploration, esp. for recoverable water and oxygen that us cheaper to find and use than what is shipped from our gravity well, is another matter. IMHO, explore everywhere in the Solar System, but colonize near-Earth orbit and the Moon first. Much greater return, it allows for perfecting the tech and proving the concept, all to make later colonization if the planets feasible. This isn’t about next week we are talking about the next couple hundred years.


29 posted on 12/26/2018 12:28:29 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: jazusamo

This is going nowhere until the Mason Interstellar Drive is fully perfected.


30 posted on 12/26/2018 12:34:16 PM PST by ASOC (Having humility really means one is rarely humiliated)
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To: cicero2k

Jamestown, Virginia was founded in 1607. They started with wilderness and began building from that point.

Antarctica is reserved as a scientific preserve by international agreement. Outside of a century old whaling station, there wasn’t interest in other settlements.


31 posted on 12/26/2018 12:36:44 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: sparklite2

You have apparently never read more than one of my 79,000+ posts.


32 posted on 12/26/2018 12:37:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Twitter is Trump's laser pointer and the media are all cats.)
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To: jazusamo

The people who master manned space travel will rule the next century, and our grandkids will work for them.


33 posted on 12/26/2018 12:37:17 PM PST by marron
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To: ASOC
We can still use quanto-gravitetic hyperdrive that powers the C-57D interstellar cruiser to places like Altair-4.


34 posted on 12/26/2018 12:43:35 PM PST by chimera
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To: marron

Yup, the Wright brothers were not the ones that invented the jet airplane but their flight at Kitty Hawk was the first step.Just as the moon landing and a flight to mars would be the first step to space travel.


35 posted on 12/26/2018 12:44:52 PM PST by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: Ancesthntr
We don't ACTUALLY work at getting them to Mars. We just tell them that's where they are going. Understand. These are people that believe that Socialism works, it just hasn't been properly executed. Idiocracy in action.
Launch them into an orbital path that eventually intercepts the solar corona...

It's not as if they can work the numbers that will reveal that the tin can will eventually drop into the Corona... Then, PHIIFFF...

We can pretend that we didn't know the resultant, if someone gets a case of the guilts.

36 posted on 12/26/2018 12:46:10 PM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: jazusamo
"What's the imperative? What's pushing us to go to Mars?" Anders, 85, said

Ummm, because its there?

"I don't think the public is that interested."

Maybe, but Anders doesn't speak for me. I'm always interested in stuff like this.

Its curious how Anders has lost his explorer's mentality.

37 posted on 12/26/2018 12:51:20 PM PST by bkopto
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To: John W

He was CEO of General Dynamics Corp when I worked at the Convair Division. Many of us did not think highly of him or his style. But, I have to agree with him on this one.


38 posted on 12/26/2018 12:51:41 PM PST by pfflier
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To: jonascord

Still cheaper to shoot them than to launch thousands of rockets to space. Plus, mass participation by the populace will ensure greater support for the program.


39 posted on 12/26/2018 12:52:27 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: jazusamo

It will take a geologist with a hand lens to determine if there has ever been any life there.

I suspect there has, but the biological imperative drives our collective need to know, one way or another.


40 posted on 12/26/2018 1:05:47 PM PST by onedoug
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