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Next Utah BAC: 0.00
1 posted on 12/15/2018 12:17:50 AM PST by 5150 FREEPER
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To: 5150 FREEPER

There aren’t negative values to use for enforcement?


2 posted on 12/15/2018 12:19:34 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: 5150 FREEPER

.05 is what it is in Sweden


8 posted on 12/15/2018 1:32:50 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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I tell people all the time:
Build a bar in your house.
It’s cheaper than a DUI.


10 posted on 12/15/2018 1:45:42 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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To: 5150 FREEPER
Coming to a state near you, facilitating the ability to drink and be high at the same time:


12 posted on 12/15/2018 2:19:04 AM PST by C210N (Republicans sign check fronts; 'Rats sign check backs.)
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To: 5150 FREEPER

Smoking pot and meth are ok though


13 posted on 12/15/2018 2:51:35 AM PST by ronnie raygun (l)
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Focus on impairment = using a subjective standard not an objective one.

It’s been the goal all along and not just in Utah. BAC levels were untethered from medical science long ago...the rest is merely state greed and control freakery.

Anyone who believes DUI as currently constituted is about safety is a fool. Anyone who repeats it is a liar.


16 posted on 12/15/2018 4:16:34 AM PST by relictele
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It’s lowering our sociality where public transportation is non-existent. Fewer and fewer get togethers with drinking (which most people like to do).

I want breathalyzer checks of all congresscritters and senators entering all sessions. They’re doing our work, better not be RUI (representing under the influence)!


18 posted on 12/15/2018 5:39:16 AM PST by polymuser (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: 5150 FREEPER

I remember when 0.10 was the limit, and you could buy 3.2% beer at 18 years of age.

The 0.10 limit has a much better correlation with the increased likelihood to be involved in an accident than lower limits do. But cities like their income any way they can take it.


21 posted on 12/15/2018 5:46:10 AM PST by meyer (WWG1WGA, MAGA!)
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Get caught DUI in MA, lose your guns!


27 posted on 12/15/2018 6:02:00 AM PST by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane')
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To: 5150 FREEPER

Idaho sign in 1984:

Eat drink and be merry because tomorrow you’ll be in Utah


29 posted on 12/15/2018 6:08:35 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: 5150 FREEPER

Asking an impaired person to estimate whether they are too impaired to operate a two ton high speed vehicle sharing a roadway shared with people I love is not a viable proposition.

The correct alcohol level to drive is zero. Similar to carrying a weapon, if I’m packing, no alcohol at all, same with driving.


35 posted on 12/15/2018 6:40:28 AM PST by dangerdoc
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I know people who can drive far more safely at 0.1 than any number of doddering 70 year old Mormons at 0.0.


41 posted on 12/15/2018 7:42:27 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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I’m more afraid of encountering a tired driver than a drunk driver. Driving tired is more likely than driving drunk, as there is no objective measure to let you know you are likely too tired to drive.

That aside, so in the 10,000 or so years of alcohol use by humans, only now do we understand how it affects motor skills and attentiveness. When BAC levels were at 0.1 and DUI began to get federal scrutiny in the 1980’s, the first move was to increase the state-set drinking ages or lose federal highway funds. That set up the ridiculous scenario where a 20-year old service member couldn’t legally have a drink at their own wedding (as happened to a good friend of mine).

Once people began to educate themselves about what it took to avoid a 0.1 level (about 3 drinks in an hour for a 190 lb man), DUI arrests began to drop. So in the early 2000’s the rate was magically lowered to .08 (2 drinks for a man) and now, in keeping with an ~15 year cycle, it’s going to 0.05, where now it’s down to one drink.

As you can see from this link to NHTSA stats, there is no statistical difference in DUI fatality prevalence when BAC gets below .13. That suggests to me that the 0.1 level used back in the 1980’s was based on data:

https://www.responsibility.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Percent-of-2016-Driving-Fatalities-by-BAC-Test-Result.pdf

Subsequent reductions are a money grab by cash-starved municipalities, pure and simple, backed by a Prohibitionist movement that has never really faded out in the US.


43 posted on 12/15/2018 9:51:14 AM PST by Panzerfaust (The HK P7 .....it's what Jesus would carry.)
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