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US undermining 'last chance' climate talks, experts charge
Collusion "News" Network ^ | Updated 5:18 PM ET, Mon December 10, 2018 | John D. Sutter, Mark Tutton and Nick Paton Walsh,

Posted on 12/10/2018 3:59:29 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

Katowice, Poland (CNN)The American delegation came to promote coal.

And the kids laughed in their faces. That was the bizarre and symbolic scene that unfolded Monday at the UN COP24 climate talks at a spaceship-shaped conference center in Polish coal country.

The nations of the world are meeting here to hash out a "rulebook" to help ensure the viability of humanity -- preventing runaway global warming from causing even greater calamity in the form of superstorms, searing droughts and deadly heat waves.

That work, which follows up on the 2015 Paris Agreement, is seen as more critical now than ever. A damning report from the United Nations this fall said there's only about a decade left to avoid the worst of climate change. The message: cut fossil fuel pollution to "net zero" in just a few decades. Yet the United States held a discussion on Monday that was meant, among other things, to "showcase ways to use fossil fuels as cleanly and efficiently as possible."

Vic Barrett, a 19-year-old college student in Wisconsin, was among those who decided that was too much to take. She and dozens of other protestors erupted in mock laughter as Preston Wells Griffith, an official at the US Department of Energy, spoke about how fossil fuels "will continue to play a role" in the global energy picture. They temporarily stopped the US-led discussion, shouting, "shame on you!" and "keep it in the ground!" -- a reference to fossil fuels that they say should be left unearthed.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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To: Robert DeLong
"The list would probably double or triple in length if it were updated to be current. So much BS has passed in so called news outlets within the last 4 years."

Totally true. Make a heavier rubber hose to beat them up.

21 posted on 12/10/2018 4:27:12 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: RightGeek
"Apparently more than 30,000 of them - it’s incredible"

Make them calculate their CO2 "production/combustion" sins and have them buy indulgences from ME.

22 posted on 12/10/2018 4:30:26 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

They would just ignore it, and claim it was BS. They prefer to wallow in their fear, than to pay attention to facts or even past history.


23 posted on 12/10/2018 4:31:18 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: TStro

It’s definite risk.

Probably higher than having a asteroid hit the Erf over the next Century.


24 posted on 12/10/2018 4:32:11 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: StAnDeliver

Reminds me of Sat Night Live’s genderless Pat.


25 posted on 12/10/2018 4:33:08 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: TStro
What they really mean is it's =their= last chance to impose a bureaucratic dictatorship upon Western energy consumption.

Winter is coming. Their effort is forfeit.

26 posted on 12/10/2018 4:35:28 PM PST by Justa
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To: Justa

Let me just say that that plot really sucks [for humanity].


27 posted on 12/10/2018 4:57:31 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

How many “last chances” have we heard about in the last 20 years?


28 posted on 12/10/2018 5:01:12 PM PST by beethovenfan (I always try to maximize my carbon footprint.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Poor babies.

This is the ‘last chance’ before the next meeting ... which will be the next ‘last chance’...

And so on...


29 posted on 12/10/2018 5:04:06 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: All

Also note that the sunspot “peak” around 2013 was relatively weak also, most peaks well over 100 on that scale in the late 20th century. There was some decline with the 1999-2001 peak and a further decline with this last one. We are in a very similar position to about 1820 during the Dalton minimum now (after the 1801 moderate and 1816 weak peaks).

The Dalton produced a long quiet period in the early 1820s and another weak peak in 1829-30. Then the Sun woke up and had a few strong peaks in 1838, 1848, 1860 (that one had the Carrington event in September 1859), and 1870.

Another weaker period included peaks of 1883, 1893 and 1905-07. After that downturn, it was raging high solar activity throughout the 20th century.

So it seems like the Sun likes to nap about once every century. The one previous to the Dalton was more like a day in bed, the Maunder minimum (roughly 1660 to 1710).

Personally I don’t think it’s going to turn all that much colder in this next decade or two because the natural cooling will be fighting the warm signal from greenhouse gases. This may just make things more average than the predictions have suggested.


30 posted on 12/10/2018 5:11:27 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (I taught AOC everything she knows, and it only took five minutes)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The US rep should have started handing out yellow jackets before his speech.


31 posted on 12/10/2018 5:53:21 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Start using cash and checks or the elite class and bankers will make "cashless" the norm.)
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To: rktman

No, no, no. Look the other way. See this shinny thing over here. No, no, no, Parisians are not rooting because of high global warming taxes.


32 posted on 12/10/2018 6:13:24 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Where can I buy a yellow jacket?


33 posted on 12/10/2018 6:14:27 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Robert DeLong

Bookmarked for future acts of battery on eco-wackos.


34 posted on 12/10/2018 6:32:29 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye

Vic Barrett - what FakeNewsCNN omitted:

SustainUs: Vic Barrett, COP24 delegate
Vic Barrett is a 19 year old, first generation Honduran-American, from New York. Vic has been learning about and fighting against the ways environmental racism and global climate justice manifest for 5 years now.
Vic is currently attending the University of Wisconsin-Madison where she is pursuing Political Science and Environmental Studies Degrees...
She has been exploring these concepts since her freshman year of high school where she worked to get climate education mandated in New York City Public Schools K-12 and also worked to get offshore wind initiatives in New York City...

Since then Vic has joined a lawsuit with 20 other young people suing the U.S. Federal Government for violating young people’s constitutional rights by developing and encouraging fossil fuel infrastructure and use, therefore contributing to the global climate crisis. Vic traveled to COP 21 in Paris, France where she learned about the broader implications of of the United States actions on climate change and fossil fuel extraction. Following this experience she was lucky enough to visit many countries internationally speaking on youth engagement on climate change and its necessity. Vic also addressed the United Nations General Assembly to speak on youth involvement with the Sustainable Development Goals and in conjunction with the signing of the Paris Agreement. Vic hopes to use the platforms she’s been lucky enough to access in order to spread a message of youth empowerment and intersectionality.
https://sustainus.org/people/vic-barrett/

Wisconsin Public Radio: Vic Barrett, Environmental Activist, Student
Vic Barrett is one of the 21 plaintiffs in Juliana v. United States. She’s addressed the UN on climate change, and is currently a student UW-Madison studying political science.
Biographical information last updated on October 25, 2018.
https://www.wpr.org/people/vic-barrett

Wikipedia: Juliana, et al. v. United States of America, et al. is a lawsuit filed in 2015 that is being brought by 21 youth plaintiffs against the United States and several of its executive branch positions and officers, also formerly including President Donald Trump and former President Barack Obama. The plaintiffs, represented by the non-profit organization Our Children’s Trust, include Xiuhtezcatl Martinez, the members of Martinez’s organization Earth Guardians, and on behalf of future generations represented by climatologist James Hansen...
The Oregon non-profit organization, Our Children’s Trust, was created by attorney Julia Olson...

The 21 youths, ranging from 8 to 19 at the time of filing, received pro bono representation from Our Children’s Trust, and had support of climatologist James Hansen, acting as a “guardian for future generations” in the case filings. (Hansen’s granddaughter Sophie Kievehan was one of the named plaintiffs.)...

On November 21, Judge Aiken reversed her position based on the comments from higher courts and granted the government’s request for an interlocutory appeal, putting the entire case on hold until the higher courts have ruled.
Some experts, such as the director of Columbia University’s climate change center, expect that any decision in favor of the plaintiffs would be reversed by the Supreme Court, which is reluctant to declare new rights and unanimously held in American Electric Power Co. v. Connecticut that it was not for the courts to decide appropriate levels of pollution.
Plaintiffs:
includes Victoria Barrett...
Future generations, represented by James Hansen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliana_v._United_States


35 posted on 12/10/2018 7:52:32 PM PST by MAGAthon
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To: MAGAthon

OK


36 posted on 12/10/2018 8:06:57 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: dhs12345

“All the while Paris is burning.”

I wonder how much more THAT carbon will make the oceans “rise”?


37 posted on 12/11/2018 8:16:57 AM PST by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’ve lost count at the number of “last chances” and “tipping points” that have come and gone by the Global Warmists. At least with a preacher who makes the mistake of naming a contemporary date for Earth’s destruction that comes and goes, he loses his flock. But the flock of Global Warmists never seem to be deterred by the failures of their prognostications ...


38 posted on 12/11/2018 8:20:46 AM PST by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: catnipman

Probably less than all of the carbon produced by all of those private jets to shuttle people to and from the conferences.


39 posted on 12/11/2018 8:40:35 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: rktman; Paladin2
Caves reveal clues to UK weather
by Tom Heap
Saturday, December 2, 2000
At Pooles Cavern in Derbyshire, it was discovered that the stalagmites grow faster in the winter months when it rains more. Alan Walker, who guides visitors through the caves, says the changes in rainfall are recorded in the stalactites and stalagmites like the growth rings in trees. Stalagmites from a number of caves have now been analysed by Dr Andy Baker at Newcastle University. After splitting and polishing the rock, he can measure its growth precisely and has built up a precipitation history going back thousands of years. His study suggests this autumn's rainfall is not at all unusual when looked at over such a timescale but is well within historic variations. He believes politicians find it expedient to blame a man-made change in our weather rather than addressing the complex scientific picture.

(I like that closing sentence -- "future decision-making could be made based on scientific data and not on political expediency". I wouldn't count on it, but that would be great.)
40 posted on 12/11/2018 8:50:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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