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To: Lurkinanloomin

We’ve been over this before, but:

Both of my grandfathers were born to foreign nationals, one in Connecticut and the other in Brooklyn. Neither of my grandfathers ever went through a naturalization procedure.

Both registered for the draft in 1917. Their draft cards had three options for citizen status: Natural-born, naturalized, or alien. They checked “natural born” (of course).

So, if one can only be natural-born or naturalized (or an alien), and my grandfathers were not naturalized despite having German and Irish parents - that would mean, according to you, that my father (and my mother) were also not natural born, despite being born in New York City in 1923 and 1924, and that therefore I am also not natural born, since my parents were never naturalized.

This leads to an absurd conclusion.

Are you saying that the draft cards issued in 1917 with three categories of citizen status were wrong to describe a person born in the US as “natural born”? Are you aware of any individuals, ever, who were born to persons legally residing in the US but of foreign nationality who were after they were born were required to naturalize?

You are proposing, I think, a fourth category of “citizen at birth, but not natural born”. Do you have any examples of such a person?


71 posted on 12/03/2018 4:16:37 AM PST by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: Jim Noble
Both of my grandfathers were born to foreign nationals, one in Connecticut and the other in Brooklyn. Neither of my grandfathers ever went through a naturalization procedure.

Both registered for the draft in 1917. Their draft cards had three options for citizen status: Natural-born, naturalized, or alien. They checked “natural born” (of course)

They were anchor babies, naturalized by an act of Congress.

my grandfathers were not naturalized despite having German and Irish parents

They were granted citizenship by a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment. It was actually meant to only grant citizenship to the children of slaves. (and not even American Indians)

my father (and my mother) were also not natural born, despite being born in New York City in 1923 and 1924, and that therefore I am also not natural born, since my parents were never naturalized.

The government recognized your grandfathers' anchor baby status (naturalized) so all your parents were natural citizens....as are you.

...draft cards issued in 1917 with three categories of citizen status were wrong to describe a person born in the US as “natural born”?

They checked the wrong box.

“citizen at birth, but not natural born”. Do you have any examples of such a person?

Your grandfathers.

Did either of your grandfathers ever run for President?

72 posted on 12/03/2018 4:47:49 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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To: Jim Noble

Citizen at birth was specifically rejected by the founders in favor of the more restrictive natural born citizen.

http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html


78 posted on 12/03/2018 7:30:01 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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