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Trump Jr.'s 2017 Testimony Conflicts With Cohen's Account Of Russian Talks
NPR ^ | November 30th, 2018 | PHILIP EWING

Posted on 11/30/2018 9:37:43 AM PST by Mariner

Donald Trump Jr.'s testimony to Congress about his family's real estate negotiations with powerful Russians does not comport with the new version laid out by Donald Trump's ex-attorney Michael Cohen, official transcripts show.

Trump Jr. told the Senate Judiciary Committee in September 2017 that although there had been negotiations surrounding a prospective Trump Tower in Moscow, they concluded without result "at the end" of 2014.

"But not in 2015 or 2016?" Trump Jr. was asked.

"Certainly not '16," he said. "There was never a definitive end to it. It just died of deal fatigue."

Trump's account contrasts with the new version of events given by Cohen on Thursday in a guilty plea in federal court. In that new version, Cohen says the discussions with at least one Russian government official and others in Moscow continued through June 2016, well into Trump's presidential campaign.

Cohen initially told Congress he reached out to a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin and didn't hear back. On Thursday, his guilty plea acknowledged that he had heard back and that other negotiations with other Russians went forward.

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To: oincobx

Which is the point — it appears that the only person who lied about this was Cohen. Jr. testified that the dealmaking didn’t end, it just petered out, by June 2016, which is what Cohen lied about before and is now telling the truth about.

And Trump’s lawyers are agreeing with that, as per this linked article.

Still not sure how this signals that Mueller has something. It appears he HOPED he had something, but then Cohen decided instead to plead guilty to lying about this thing. You don’t take a lying plea deal if you want to use the witness later; a witness whose crime was lying under oath is not a very good witness.


41 posted on 11/30/2018 10:47:38 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mariner
Mueller will use Cohen to go after Trump Jr. And maybe his sister too.

The first time mulehead goes after Don Jr. or his sister, is the day President Donald John Trump fires the whole crew of the 20 borax mule team.

He will send them to Death Valley.

42 posted on 11/30/2018 10:48:58 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke all mooselimb terrorists, today.)
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To: rjsimmon
No, this story is a lie
The Trumps signed a letter in 2015 and talks continued into 2016, then the deal died
There was no reason for Trump Jr to not offer this info
In fact other sources say he did

Not that there was ever anything criminal about real estate development in Russia

Hillary solicited rich donors to build an entire technical complex complete with sensitive US technology transfers
Look up Skolkovo

43 posted on 11/30/2018 10:53:44 AM PST by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: silverleaf

“Not that there was ever anything criminal about real estate development in Russia”

It doesn’t matter if Mueller can indict for lying.

His goal is indictments all round for anyone associated with POTUS. He is not concerned whether he ever gets a conviction. It’s the political impact he is after.


44 posted on 11/30/2018 10:57:56 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

“It’s reported they have emails showing the pursuit of the Russian deal lasted longer than originally testified to.”

Hey Moron, building a Hotel in Russia IS NOT A CRIME.


45 posted on 11/30/2018 11:43:42 AM PST by heights
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To: Mariner

Not remembering something like a date is not lying.

If not remembering correctly is a crime, both Clintons (”I don’t recall” hundreds of times) would be in jail for centuries.


46 posted on 11/30/2018 12:16:59 PM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Mariner
Trump's account contrasts with the new version of events given by Cohen on Thursday in a guilty plea in federal court. In that new version,...

Trump's version has to change to match Cohen's shifting versions? How does that work?

47 posted on 11/30/2018 12:24:26 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Mariner
NPR Blatantly Lies About Donald Trump Jr.’s 2017 Senate Testimony

Q. In this same time frame, 2015 or 2016, when Mr. Sater and Mr. Cohen were exploring a possible deal, do you know if anyone else was also exploring a deal simultaneously with the Trump Organization to build in Moscow?
A. I don ‘t believe so .
Q. We’ve discussed the Agalarov family, Emin and his father Aras. Do you know if they were also exploring building a Trump Tower in Moscow?
A. We had looked at it earlier than that, but it sort of faded away I believe at the end of ’14.
Q. But not in 2015 or 2016?
A. Certainly not ’16. There was never a definitive end to it. It just died of deal fatigue.

Trump Jr was referring to the Agalarov family deal, not the one with Cohen. NPR is lying straight out.

48 posted on 11/30/2018 1:31:41 PM PST by Mozzafiato
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To: Mariner
Anyone who doesn't think Trump is truly blessed.

A 7.0 to completely obliterate Mueller's Friday news dump and obliterate the MSM #Narrative.

AND, no one was hurt or killed in Alaska.

49 posted on 11/30/2018 1:37:48 PM PST by StAnDeliver ("Mueller personally delivered US uranium to Russia.")
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To: StAnDeliver
👍🏻👍🏻
50 posted on 11/30/2018 1:48:55 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: God luvs America

so all of a sudden Cohen’s “new version” is the truthful version??
——-
Of course it is. It’s the one that gets Cohen out of a decade or so of jail time.


51 posted on 11/30/2018 10:00:51 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Mariner

Am I living in the Twilight zone here or did Republicans for the past two years control both houses and the WH yet the Democrats seem to have all the power? To the point where they can hold this absolute BS investigation with seemingly no end in sight? Excuse me, but I seem to recall an episode where the left was caught with its pants down holding a BS FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton and that didn’t warrant an investigation but this freakin hoax does? FISA warrant, Comey leaks, attorney general meeting with BC on the tarmac on and on and on yet THEY get all the power when it comes to holding an investigation? WTF is going on here??


52 posted on 12/01/2018 7:15:51 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda
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To: rjsimmon

Yep, I said that the other day. They basically tortured the guy with SEVENTY hours of interrogations and you can imagine what kind of crap they threatened him with “Give us something or you will rot in prison for the next 40 years” and since Trump never colluded with the Russians the best he could come up with to save his ass is to lie about lying.


53 posted on 12/01/2018 7:23:15 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda
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To: Mariner

There is a lot of what I would call BS comments. I guess some have not gotten the news that the story that started with NPR is false but it took 5 hours for NPR to take it down. Enough time for the story to get to CNN, MSNBC, NYT Another good example of the media putting putting out fake news.

This entire story is a lie. Trump, Jr. was explicitly asked whether the Trump Organization was pursuing a plan to develop a Trump Tower in Moscow in 2016. His answer: “Yes.” He even offered to give the 2015 LOI signed by Trump to Judiciary investigators.

https://t.co/omMSmse5rs

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38910/donald-trump-jr-responds-npr-finally-retracting-james-barrett

Here is a link to the actual testimony by Don Jr. That NPR could have checked if they were not so eager to get a false story about a Don Jr out. Then again who cares about facts sure as hell not the media and the left? Maybe they cannot read

.https://t.co/B8SuolTfyK pic.twitter.com/w34SamzXJF

This entire story is a lie. Trump, Jr. was explicitly asked whether the Trump Organization was pursuing a plan to develop a Trump Tower in Moscow in 2016. His answer: “Yes.” He even offered to give the 2015 LOI signed by Trump to Judiciary investigators. https://t.co/omMSmse5rs


54 posted on 12/01/2018 9:46:55 AM PST by klsparrow
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To: klsparrow

Mollie Hemingway: NPR Is Incompetent or Lying In Its Claim That Cohen's Testimony Contradicts Trump Jr.'s Testimony
And Now: NPR Adds a Huge "Clarification" To Article, But Does Not Retract It Or Admit The Central Claim It Made Is Entirely False

—Ace of Spades

 

55 posted on 12/01/2018 9:55:07 AM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: Mariner

It’s coming, I’m sure. If the deal was ongoing from the 1980s, but nothing ever came of it. Then they’re grasping at straws, but they want that search warrant.


56 posted on 12/01/2018 11:24:57 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Mariner; All
Of course Cohen's story now conflicts with Jr's

It is only allowed to lie if it is required of you to lower your sentence.

And if the new lies conflict with those Mueller et al wants to destroy, it's the new lies that will be used.

Sure after the deal died there may have been more back and forth, that's normal if the party trying to make a business deal with the Trump org doesn't want the deal to die.

Cohen is not answering straight, he is composing.

If he has grandkids he has to go along with Mueller.

My original answer was going to be Andrew Breitbart’s classic...

So?

57 posted on 12/02/2018 1:31:26 PM PST by Syncro (Facts is Facts)
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To: Mariner

So many headlines and statements are written backwards.

If done properly, this headline would read “Cohen’s [Newly composed] Account Of Russian Talks Conflicts With Trump Jr.’s 2017 Testimony”

I saw a banner on Fox News that said “Border patrol clashes with migrants”

The banner should have said, if FN wanted to be accurate:

“Invading angry mob rushes and attacks Border Patrol while trying to force their way into the USA” [I know too long for a banner better as a roll at the bottom of the screen]

They didn’t go up to the “migrants” (read violent would be invaders of the USA) and “clash” with them.

The hopeful interloping hordes clashed with the Border Patrol by approaching and trying to illegally push their way over the border.

And in the process threw rocks and other objects at the authorities legally protecting our country from invaders.

Rocks can kill and should be meant with force when thrown at the BP

Palestine rock etc throwers were shot when doing this in Israel and at their border.


58 posted on 12/02/2018 1:51:55 PM PST by Syncro (Facts is Facts)
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To: Mariner
Please note the date on this story.

Trump Jr. denied NPR’s claim.

NPR withdrew (or re-wrote) the story, but only after the original report sat on the news wires for six more hours.

59 posted on 12/04/2018 2:30:34 PM PST by zeestephen
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