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1 posted on 11/27/2018 10:51:37 AM PST by Kaslin
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“If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?” ~ Frederic Bastiat

To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the law abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless.


2 posted on 11/27/2018 10:55:11 AM PST by sourcery (Non Aquiesco: "I do not consent" (Latin))
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The Left just has a fundamental problem with “evil”. They don’t think it exists. This is a big reason they hate Christianity, since Christianity is very big on the concept of “right and wrong”. The Left feels threatened by such things. Just yesterday there was a thread here about a journalist who had a problem with JRR Tolkien and his depiction of Orcs as “evil”. For the journalist, this was just pure racism and totally unPC. Orcs are not “evil”, they are just misunderstood.

If there is no “evil” then no one needs a gun. Simple, eh?


3 posted on 11/27/2018 10:56:51 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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There is no guarantee a good guy with a gun can save the day, but there is an absolute guarantee a bad guy with a gun will have his way without one.


4 posted on 11/27/2018 10:57:09 AM PST by umgud (Now)
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Because they’re more smarter than us?


5 posted on 11/27/2018 10:57:16 AM PST by rktman ( #My2nd! Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH)
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People that think that being defenseless is being safe are not worth arguing with. I often wonder why they would choose to be defenseless, yet they wear a seat-belt in their car... that makes no sense to me.


6 posted on 11/27/2018 11:00:14 AM PST by GregoTX
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Facts and Logic have no place in an emotional, fascist debate.

Don't waste time arguing, just tell them to get lost.

7 posted on 11/27/2018 11:02:32 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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Another reason for 2A is to protect against tyranny.

Few, if any, point out that virtually every country in history that enslaved their people first disarmed them.

The ability to protect you and yours is a legitimate argument, but loss of liberty should be mighty compelling as well.


8 posted on 11/27/2018 11:03:38 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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There is only one thing that works with zombies.


10 posted on 11/27/2018 11:09:26 AM PST by The Toll
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bkmk


11 posted on 11/27/2018 11:09:50 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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From the article:... that you can “identify” as anything you want but you shouldn’t engage in "cultural appropriation” ...

This, I think, is the reason that Trump has zeroed in on Liawatha. The libs can't support her cultural appropriation for fear of losing the support of Native Americans. At the same time the libs can't condemn her for fear of offending all those who "identify" as women, witches, or frogs.

12 posted on 11/27/2018 11:10:16 AM PST by William Tell
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Every tyrant wants disarmed subjects.


13 posted on 11/27/2018 11:10:33 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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Study: Concealed carry firearms owners have a 94% success rate stopping potential mass shooters

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3708768/posts

Of course, the Leftists could care less since this does not line up with their ultimate goal of disarming the law abiding populace (criminals will always have a way to get guns).


15 posted on 11/27/2018 11:12:33 AM PST by Qiviut (McCain & Obama's Legacy in two words: DONALD TRUMP!)
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It is easy. You don’t need to read the long winded article to find the answer.

Democrats/leftists/totalitarians want no possible resistance to their planned tyranny. A disarmed populace is a helpless populace. Therefore their number one priority is disarming the law abiding. Democrats couldn’t care less about crime, mass murders (except for their press arm the MSM to exploit them) your safety, my safety etc. they just want you to be unable to resist them and their beloved thugs in blue.


16 posted on 11/27/2018 11:14:45 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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They claim that individual choice and personal responsibility has nothing to do with who is good and who is evil.

They just want a pre-excuse in place, in case they want to do something evil, themselves.

19 posted on 11/27/2018 11:27:45 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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It's classic Freudian projection. Democrats know that democrats are evil. They know they should not be allowed to carry firearms. They know the world should be protected from them. And through Freudian projection, they assume we are just like them.


20 posted on 11/27/2018 11:30:14 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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I’m not persuaded by the overall argument (seems on the right track, but still trying to nail down the core point).

However, this bit is brilliant:

“redistribution of personal responsibility”

That may very well nail the point right there.
There are bad guys. Really bad guys. They have too much bad.
So...
Redistribute it. Spread the bad around (seems an acceptable outcome for the Left’s economics, may as well do it with morality).
You (dear reader) are a good guy, with a gun. Good enough you could be trusted with an M16 in an orphanage. You don’t have enough bad in you (relative to “bad guy with a gun”), so you get some mass-murderer’s abundance of evil spread to you for the purpose of flattening out that distribution of evil to some uniform low point (as though it can’t be eliminated, just lowered to average).
Now ... you’re a bad guy, with a gun.

And since, by redistributing personal responsibility, you’re a bad guy with a gun, you must be disarmed of that gun.
Oh, but the “everyone is a little bad” Leftist with a gun? well, he has a gun for the right Leftist-approved reasons, so his redistributed bad is overlooked, so he’s not _really_ a “bad guy with a gun” under the circumstances (just like Michael Moore is a rich white guy with armed guards, but since he’s serving the Revolution it’s OK).

So there we go.
Money is evil, and having lots of money is evil, but since a Leftist axiom is “wealth is constant” then all money must be redistributed among everyone (except those who serve the Revolution exceptionally well, they can be rich).
Evil is ... well ... evil, and being really evil is evil, but since a (newly discovered) Leftist axiom is “evil is constant” then all evil must be redistributed among everyone (except in service to the Revolution, then evil isn’t an issue).
And since everyone now is assigned the same level of evil, anyone with a gun is, well, a bad guy with a gun and thus must be disarmed (except in service to the Revolution).

Clarifies it to me. Given the axiomatic imperative “everyone is equal”, then ... everyone is equally evil, which means if you’re a man with a gun then you’re a bad man with a gun and thus must be disarmed (service to the Revolution excepted). Hence Leftists cannot conceive of the notion that “good man with a gun” exists.


21 posted on 11/27/2018 11:32:20 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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Not long ago, they balked bitterly at the accusation that their real goal was to repeal the Second Amendment. Now, many have finally started to admit that this is precisely what they had in mind all along.

In my humble opinion, the 1st 10 Amendments to the Constitution should be inviolable. The reason for this is, when the country was debating whether to adopt it or not, the Anti-Federalist group would not agree to it unless certain protections were included. So, we would not have a Constitution were it not for the promise, and eventual passage, of the Bill of Rights. And without a Constitution, we would not have These United States.

22 posted on 11/27/2018 11:37:24 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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As I’ve stated in the past. Even if they disarm every law abiding citizen in the US, one question the Democrats will never answer is how they will keep illegal guns, like illegal drugs and aliens, from flooding across the borders


24 posted on 11/27/2018 11:40:13 AM PST by antidemoncrat
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“If you are white, male, Christian, or God-forbid, a Republican, you are already guilty without having done anything at all. If you dare to own a gun, you are de facto guilty. It doesn’t matter what choices you make. The Left does not consider this to be prejudice as long as the right people are pre-judged. They argue that they can perfect the world and our behavior by creating a “correct” society which they will define for us. We are merely spokes in their socialist utopian wheel.”


In other words, “If we can just eliminate the sub-humans in society, then society will be dramatically improved to the point of having our long-hoped-for utopia.” Gee, where have I heard something like that before, hmmmm?

Oh, yeah, that’s right, I heard about it from my family - my immigrant family of 2-3 generations ago, who warned us about Socialists of various stripes (specifically, Russian and German stripes, usually wearing uniforms and always pretending to know what was best for everyone else).

Yeah, well, F^&# that noise: this Jew, whose family was horribly victimized by German and Russian socialists in the last century, is not about to have his family victimized AGAIN by socialists (this time American ones). But if we are victimized again, it certainly isn’t going to be for free, not THIS time.


28 posted on 11/27/2018 11:48:01 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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The Left does not consider this to be prejudice as long as the right people are pre-judged.

That there is solid gold!

33 posted on 11/27/2018 12:39:27 PM PST by papertyger (Trump, A president so great, that Democrats who said they would leave America if he won, stayed!)
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