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Russia made its move — and Trump blinked
New York Post ^ | November 26, 2018 | Benny Avni

Posted on 11/26/2018 7:23:38 PM PST by TBP

Russia over the weekend mounted its most serious aggression against Ukraine since President Trump took office, and America punted.

Trump’s outgoing ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, described the chain of events that led to the current standoff at the Black Sea as an “outrageous violation of sovereign Ukrainian territory.” She vowed that Washington and its friends would stand with Kiev.

So what’s the plan? “It is our expectation that our European partners will lead this effort through the Normandy Four format,” Haley said, referring to a toothless Barack Obama-era gabfest that has mostly served to legitimize Moscow’s illegal annexation of Crimea and invasion of eastern Ukraine.

Trusting that diplomatic channel is like showing up to a gunboat fight without even a knife.

Consider what happened: Three Ukrainian vessels headed from Ukraine’s Black Sea port of Odessa to a Ukrainian port in the Sea of Azov. In the Kerch Strait, which separates the two bodies of water, Russian warships fired at the Ukrainians, injured crew members and seized the vessels.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Russia; US: New York
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To: Peter ODonnell

Ukraine is declaring martial law.


21 posted on 11/26/2018 7:54:55 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DoughtyOne
Russia took Crimea by force, Russia took Crimea by force, but there re pseudo Conservatives who think that was entirely justified.

In reality, it was Ukrainian fascists backed by Western intelligence agencies who overthrew a democratically elected European President in a violent coup.

Absent constitutional order and facing a fascist tyranny, the Crimean people invoked their natural right to self determination...and having established their own autonomy, held a legal referendum which led them to rejoin the Russian Federation.

The pseudo conservatives are the ones who either cannot follow this impeccable logic or willfully ignore/distort it to suit their purposes.

22 posted on 11/26/2018 8:06:17 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: TBP

Bullies start with neighbors but their goal is world wide intimidation.

What would Russia say if Poland and blatic states blocked off Kaliningrad..


23 posted on 11/26/2018 8:14:34 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

DU talking points on FR. you see this more and more.

disappointing.


24 posted on 11/26/2018 8:15:23 PM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: TBP

“Trump blinked”

http://www.lerctr.org/~transit/healy/crap.wav


25 posted on 11/26/2018 8:21:11 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: TBP

It is none of our business. Let the other nations in the region deal with it.


26 posted on 11/26/2018 8:21:14 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: TBP

Nonsense......nobody has the facts yet only the he said he said.....Russia has their story and Ukraine has theres. But this should not be surprising since Poroshenko said he’d blow up the bridge.....

Trump didn’t blink, as the article reads. He’s smart enough to know both Russia and Ukraine have been at it for years now and he’ll make whatever decision he thinks about this once the facts are known.....and it won’t be based on just this event.


27 posted on 11/26/2018 8:21:17 PM PST by caww
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To: JohnBrowdie

So you believe we should go to war over The Ukraine? That’s what you are effectively saying.


28 posted on 11/26/2018 8:24:56 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: TBP

Trump’s blinked?

Europe’s fast asleep!


29 posted on 11/26/2018 8:25:24 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: DoughtyOne
So if a couple of ships from Lebanon were sailing towards an Israeli oil platform and the Israelis stopped them the same way Russia stopped the Ukrainians, you'd be damning Israel, right?

Russia "took" Crimea the same way the both the US and the EU accepted as legitimate in Kosovo, with a referendum.

It's always funny when the goose bitches about the gander doing the same thing the goose did.

30 posted on 11/26/2018 8:27:33 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: ichabod1

Ha Ha


31 posted on 11/26/2018 8:28:28 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: mac_truck

Thank YOU! Exactly right!

Poroshenko’s now owned by our former Administration as well as the cabinet.....not surprised an incident would happen now....Muller’s almost done and the deep swamp wants so badly to keep the Russia Propaganda on ‘Hot’......especially since G-20 coming up where Trump and Putin meet and Pence just paved the way at the Singapore gathering.

Dems just couldn’t handle it if, As with N.Korea, Trump were to establish anything concrete with Russia. I’d bet money Hillary and BO are behind this. They own Poroshenko.....can’t say that strong enough.


32 posted on 11/26/2018 8:29:29 PM PST by caww
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To: smokingfrog

....”Ukraine is declaring martial law”....

That’s because the Ukraines are burning tires in the street again.....


33 posted on 11/26/2018 8:31:20 PM PST by caww
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To: mac_truck

34 posted on 11/26/2018 8:40:05 PM PST by caww
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To: ichabod1

LOL!!!


35 posted on 11/26/2018 8:40:24 PM PST by Dave W
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To: ConservativeMind

no. it isn’t.


36 posted on 11/26/2018 8:41:10 PM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: roadcat

Trump frames Russia’s aggression in Ukraine as a BOTH - SIDES ISSUE:

“We don’t like what’s happening either way. We don’t like what’s happening.”


37 posted on 11/26/2018 8:43:45 PM PST by caww
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To: CondorFlight

38 posted on 11/26/2018 8:44:35 PM PST by caww
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To: TBP
Intervention is a red herring on the pro-Ukraine side. That's countered with a red herring on the pro-Russia side which is "isolationism". The MSM argument is that we must be interventionist or isolationist and whichever Trump chooses is wrong.

The fact is we can stand with Russia and with Ukraine, simultaneously. The tiny strait with the Russian bridge is now Russian territory, but the Azov Sea belongs to both. The passageway needs to be opened to all traffic bound to and from Ukrainian ports. Cannot be blocked. If Ukraine wants to send gunboats through it they will have to comply with international law:

1. Ships and aircraft, while exercising the right of transit passage, shall:
(a) proceed without delay through or over the strait;
(b) refrain from any threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of States bordering the strait, or in any other manner in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations;
(c) refrain from any activities other than those incident to their normal modes of continuous and expeditious transit unless rendered necessary by force majeure or by distress;
(d) comply with other relevant provisions of this Part.

39 posted on 11/26/2018 8:49:18 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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