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Marijuana legalization is a response to the failures of the war on drugs
VOX ^ | Nov 14, 2018 | German Lopez

Posted on 11/23/2018 8:58:41 AM PST by Red6

The debate over marijuana legalization is just one of the many ways the political landscape is changing as the US comes to terms with drug and criminal justice policies that many experts and Americans consider to have failed at a great cost to the nation’s liberty and finances.

The war on marijuana in particular has cost the US billions of dollars over decades, led to a black market for pot that criminal organizations use to fund violent operations, and contributed to the explosive growth of America’s incarcerated population, which is now the largest in the world. And despite those costs, millions of people still use marijuana — a drug that most Americans view as relatively safe.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: cannabis; fakenews; freedon; liberalagenda; marijuana; medicalpot; medicine; pot; vox; voxfakenews; wod; wrongheadline
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To: JohnBrowdie

“I’m certainly not taking your word for it.”

I gave you a link to evidence in this post: https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3704811/posts?page=36#36


81 posted on 11/23/2018 10:56:12 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Cottonpatch

“If we had put the criminal drug users in jail instead of the drug sellers this problem would have been over in a few years. I never have understood who thought the sellers were the problem.”

Unworkable plan. We don’t have enough jails to house 10% of the population, and it would wreck our economy if we did.


82 posted on 11/23/2018 10:57:16 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Pollster1
The question is not whether we will have users but whether we will have legal or illegal users, and legality is not going to change those numbers by much. I’d prefer to admit defeat and allow adults to harm themselves at will - with pot, alcohol, tobacco, etc.

Amen! Taking the least bad course is the conservative way.

83 posted on 11/23/2018 10:58:32 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

thanks, but I’ll wait until all of the results are final. they are still manufacturing votes in some of the races, I believe.


84 posted on 11/23/2018 10:59:46 AM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: JohnBrowdie

“I consider that rule of grammar to be non-binding.”

Apparently you consider the norms of a civilized society to be non-binding, too.

No quit humping my leg and go finish sewing up your armband.

L


85 posted on 11/23/2018 11:11:19 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: NobleFree

have you looked at this lately? this is not exactly proving your argument. I just took a very quick glance (cool link, by the way), and the libertarian saved manchin’s a$$ in WV and probably saved tester in MT.

that would have made up for the theft in AZ and harry reid’s union thugs in NE. this year’s libertarian damage is even worse than usual, the carnage was just in the senate this time.

honestly, this is even more reason to put them in camps.


86 posted on 11/23/2018 11:20:55 AM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: Lurker
No quit humping my leg and go finish sewing up your armband.
I cannot fathom how you don't have a talk show on cable*.

*yes, yes, which everyone canceled because they're so incredibly intelligent and original. but no, I don't want to hear about your damn utility bills.

87 posted on 11/23/2018 11:25:27 AM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: Lurker
No quit humping my leg and go finish sewing up your armband.
by the way, mr. grammar nazi, I believe you misspelled the word "now".
88 posted on 11/23/2018 11:27:48 AM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: jmacusa
Oh bullshit! What substance doesn't have harmful effects. Alcohol kills thousands every year. Do you want to bring back Prohibition?
the specious alcohol strawman is the stoners' the favorite rathole to hide in. what's bullsh*t is the comparison itself; the two things have nothing to do with each other.

what's not bullsh*t is why prohibition was repealed; in order to tax it so as to raise more money for the new dealers to use to destroy our liberties.

you hear that one a lot from the pro-pot people: legalize pot for the tax revenue. what they cannot do is explain to me how it's somehow smart or moral to make lawful a currently unlawful thing so that the central government can afford to get into more trouble.

I'd love to hear that one.

89 posted on 11/23/2018 11:54:51 AM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: JohnBrowdie

Hey. The phrase from the Declaration leads to the Constitution. Both documents are magical, intelligent experiments in free people self-governing. I wouldn’t be so crazy about this wonderful experiment and supporting it with my heart and if necessary my life, if it weren’t for that clause. “Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Assumed for all, given by our Creator. I dare you, then, to find something better than that.

And hell, yes, any state can ban marijuana, alcohol, toothpaste, or cats if they wish. And they can vote in different members of government to change that. I do understand the system. That really isn’t the point.

My point was much bigger. People on FR who post things like you did often deep down do not wish freedom for others who don’t agree with them. They are really only in a political fight to make the world their way. Which, in my opinion, misses the point of freedom.


90 posted on 11/23/2018 12:12:04 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: JohnBrowdie

A distinction without a difference.


91 posted on 11/23/2018 12:23:48 PM PST by chris37
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To: JohnBrowdie

I’d love to hear the rationale for first making a legal substance illegal then scrapping that legislation and making it legal again. Prohibition was repealed because it simply wasn’t working. It made a criminal of 1 in 40 Americans and it became a law the government could no longer afford to fight. Tell me something genius, after almost 100 years of a war on marijuana are we anywhere near a victory? And why shoudn’t adults be able to smoke pot? Kids can’t buy booze, there are laws against that. Drug dealers don’t ask for ID. And watch you’re calling a stoner. I’ll have you know I’ve been sober for 28 years.


92 posted on 11/23/2018 12:45:41 PM PST by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: JohnBrowdie

I think it was the camps that prompted the response.


93 posted on 11/23/2018 1:01:23 PM PST by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: JohnBrowdie; Lurker
I don't want to control them. I want them to not exist. there is a difference.

Wow. I'll bet Lurker feels the fool for making that Nazi comparison, now.

94 posted on 11/23/2018 1:10:06 PM PST by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: Susquehanna Patriot
until the there is a huge growth in the numbers of people who smoke pot

There's no reason to expect that - the states that have legalized have seen modest if any increases.

95 posted on 11/23/2018 1:10:09 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: JohnBrowdie

And you spelled “know” N-O.


96 posted on 11/23/2018 1:11:38 PM PST by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: JohnBrowdie
the two things have nothing to do with each other.

Sure they do: they're both dependency-forming mind-altering substances.

you hear that one a lot from the pro-pot people: legalize pot for the tax revenue. what they cannot do is explain to me how it's somehow smart or moral to make lawful a currently unlawful thing so that the central government can afford to get into more trouble.

What hasn't been explained to me is how your argument doesn't logically lead to a call to ban everything that government does or can tax.

97 posted on 11/23/2018 1:14:07 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: KC_Lion
ping
98 posted on 11/23/2018 1:18:07 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree; TheStickman; dainbramaged; beaversmom; T-Bone Texan; dljordan; Mama Shawna; Drew68; ...

Thx NobleFree.


99 posted on 11/23/2018 1:19:16 PM PST by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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To: DoodleBob

Exactly right, Bob!

Show us where the Constitution allows Congress the power to prohibit ANYTHING, from marijuana to incandescent light bulbs. Prohibition is the perfect example of how to exceed Constitutional limits legally.

A majority vote in Congress DOES NOT grant new and amazing powers but I think that lesson needs repeating.


100 posted on 11/23/2018 2:48:12 PM PST by DNME (The only solution to a BAD guy with a gun is a GOOD guy with a gun.)
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