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The Property Tax Meltdown
Citylab ^ | Nov 14, 2018 | Laura Bliss

Posted on 11/15/2018 10:44:20 AM PST by Galatians328

Big-box retailers such as Walmart, Target, Meijer, Menards, and others are suing small-town assessors and high-court judges to accept the novel argument that their bustling big boxes should be valued like vacant “dark” stores—i.e., the near-worthless properties now peppering America’s shopping plazas.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: amazon; retail; taxes
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To: dp0622

Maybe I remember things for a long time because being empty-headed gives me more spare capacity in my brain. :-P


21 posted on 11/15/2018 11:19:01 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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To: Alberta's Child

You are right.


22 posted on 11/15/2018 11:21:27 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Kozy
You don’t pay taxes on food products.

That varies by state. Utah taxes unprepared food at about 4%, prepared food at the regular sales tax rate.

23 posted on 11/15/2018 11:30:25 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (God be greater than the worries in my life, be stronger than the weakness in my mind, be magnified.)
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To: dp0622
Weren’t taxes supposed to be for raw materials at one time?

Taxes and their method of imposition varies by locality and what was once true in history frequently changes, usually to the worse. Some states tax almost everything but most will exempt food & medical but it is a real checkerboard.

One could write a real history of civilization based upon contemporary taxation. In many eras the overlords would tax as heavily as possible till their underlings either fled or revolted. Other eras had a maximum tax but that usually only lasted a short time. Here in the USofA, the National Government got its money from custom duties and excise taxes with an exception during the US Civil War up to WW1 era. However that was also a time when the US Government was small and most of its employees (80%) work in the Postal System.

Things have changed and like the rest of history it keeps getting more expensive!

24 posted on 11/15/2018 11:38:44 AM PST by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: Galatians328

Amazon (an incredible company) has an unfair tax advantage on internet sales. For most sales local and state taxes are not levied.

I use Amazon as it is quick and efficient at an equal or lower price.

I feel they should pay state and local taxes where the item is ordered from. Thus the local stores will be on an equal competitive basis with Amazon. Here in Texas that will cost me 8-1/4% and this is fair.


25 posted on 11/15/2018 11:39:10 AM PST by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Alberta's Child

I doubt that’s the reason :)


26 posted on 11/15/2018 11:39:27 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: dp0622

“I pay taxes for some things on Amazon and not for others, and even then the tax rate is sometimes correct (which sucks) and sometimes lower, confusing”

No all Amazon sales actually come from Amazon. For instance I bought some items from Amazon. The person actually filling the order for Amazon was in Texas as I. I thus paid tax as it was considered a state sale which it was.


27 posted on 11/15/2018 11:45:21 AM PST by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: cpdiii

Dam.

Learning a lot today.

Thanks.


28 posted on 11/15/2018 11:59:53 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: SES1066

80 percent!!!???

No bureaucracy?

Well I guess that’s how the founding fathers had wanted it.

Boy did we stray.... :(


29 posted on 11/15/2018 12:01:38 PM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: dp0622
It can be unbelievably complicated depending on what state you are in and what state the store you are purchasing from is in.

Washington is the absolute WORST! We (StorePorter) recommend Avalara for our most difficult online stores.

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30 posted on 11/15/2018 12:10:27 PM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: cpdiii

Amazon is opening a distribution center in VA so I guess there goes my tax deferral.


31 posted on 11/15/2018 12:19:16 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Galatians328

Who gave governments the “right” to charge you money for possessing goods that you are selling, and for which you will pay sales tax? You will, of course, be paying income taxes on any profit that you are foolish enough to make.

This is because government hates the fact that you actually OWN something, and they don’t. They would have seized it in a communist country. OK, the USA is not officially communist, so they won’t just waltz in and seize it, but they do something just as bad: they charge you a “property” tax on your possessions. If you don’t pay, they will come for you. If you defend yourself, you’re dead. So it comes out the same way in the end, except that we have the illusion of going to bed at night and thinking that we are not a communist country.


32 posted on 11/15/2018 12:36:12 PM PST by I want the USA back (It's Ok To Be White. White Lives Matter. White Guilt is Socially Constructed)
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To: oldtech
Never figured out why,in any location,there should ever be a sales tax on necessities. It is just plain WRONG.

Taxation is theft.

33 posted on 11/15/2018 12:45:34 PM PST by Augie
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To: I want the USA back

“they charge you a ‘property’ tax on your possessions”

It reminds me of a Johnny Cash song about building a car with parts ripped off of GM.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=johnny+cash+one+piece+at+time+lyrics&qs=AS&pq=johnny+cash+one&sk=LS1SS2AS4&sc=8-15&cvid=1E45C8482BA0431FB783C58BF5ED034D&FORM=QBRE&sp=9

Stealing a house over 60 years is still stealing.

Our education system isn’t worth a plug nickel - the kids here in Florida obviously never learned about constitutional amendments or the word ‘infringe’.


34 posted on 11/15/2018 1:25:45 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Galatians328

One test of value is this:

You say your property is worth only two million.

That buyer over there wants to give you $2,100,000.

Sold!

Generally property should be assessed at what a buyer would pay less transaction costs needed to get that price.

I might be able to only get $190,000 for my house, but a licensed real estate agent might be able to get $205,000, for a ~$15,000 commission.


35 posted on 11/15/2018 1:32:53 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Galatians328

The mall nearest me is about half empty.

The Costco thrives and JC Penney fights hard to stay in business.

Sears gave up about one year ago.

Macy’s gave up its space about two years ago.

The mall, except for the Costco wing, is probably worth only its land value less demolition costs.


36 posted on 11/15/2018 1:37:02 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Galatians328

At one time Walmart based all of its stores in exclusively-rural areas. I presume for good reasons.

When Walmart first came to our state, I knew people who would drive 200 miles just to load up their vehicle with groceries, etc. Nutso in my mind.


37 posted on 11/15/2018 1:37:08 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: dp0622
Over the past few years, I've switched to ONLY buying clothes online. Online retailers have made it so easy to send things back that don't fit that's it's no longer a hassle for me. I always hated going into those changing rooms at the department stores and also not knowing who else were trying those same clothes on.

The only thing I still buy the traditional way is business suits because I go to a tailor for that.

As a consequence, almost all my non work clothes are from the LL Bean website as they have tremendous service AND quality.

38 posted on 11/15/2018 1:39:28 PM PST by SamAdams76 ( If you are offended by what I have to say here then you can blame your parents for raising a wuss)
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To: Augie

Taxation is usually, but not always theft.

Things like the gas tax pay for the roads that make the gas useful.

Taxation is now highly abused to give people about 60 years pay for 40 years work, 60 years pay for 40 years of worthless work, 60 years pay for no work, etc.


39 posted on 11/15/2018 1:42:33 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: logi_cal869

“At one time Walmart based all of its stores in exclusively-rural areas. I presume for good reasons.”

At one time, people in the sticks had to pay premium prices.

Wal-Mart, by charging fair prices, had easy pickings for decades.


40 posted on 11/15/2018 1:47:34 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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