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First Circuit Court of Appeals Rule No Right to Bear Arms Outside the Home
Ammoland ^ | 2 November, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 11/08/2018 10:09:02 AM PST by marktwain

On 2 November 2018, the First Circuit Court of Appeals held the Second Amendment effectively does not apply outside the home.  From uscourts.gov:

This case involves a constitutional challenge to the Massachusetts firearms licensing statute, as implemented in the communities of Boston and Brookline. All of the individual plaintiffs sought and received licenses from one of those two communities to carry firearms in public. The licenses, though, were restricted: they allowed the plaintiffs to carry firearms only in relation to certain specified activities but denied them the right to carry firearms more generally. 

The plaintiffs say that the Massachusetts firearms licensing statute, as implemented in Boston and Brookline, violates the Second Amendment. The district court disagreed, and so do we. Mindful that “the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited,” District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 626 (2008), we hold that the challenged regime bears a substantial relationship to important governmental interests in promoting public safety and crime prevention without offending the plaintiffs' Second Amendment rights. Accordingly, we affirm the district court's entry of summary judgment for the defendants. In the last analysis, the plaintiffs simply do not have the right” to carry arms for any sort of confrontation” or “for whatever purpose” they may choose. Id. at 595, 626 (emphasis omitted). 

The Court specifically said the decision applies to both open and concealed carry of handguns. They reserved the power to infringe on concealed carry more than open carry.

Judge Selya wrote the decision for the unanimous three-judge panel. They held that allowing police to decide if a citizen has a “need” to carry a gun outside the home allows sufficient

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 1stcircus; 2ndamendment; banglist; bearingarms; firstcircus; lawsuit; ma; massachusetts; nra; ruling; secondamendment
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To: VanDeKoik
So everyone else has been getting it wrong the past 231 years, but this 3 judge triad of retards have received the flame of knowledge from Mt. Olympus, and really nailed what the founders REALLY meant?

leftards think that they are the special elite with knowledge and insight gained by mystical methods. So, since they know what is best, they have the right and duty to tell the masses what to do.

101 posted on 11/08/2018 11:21:13 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: steve86

The level of stupidity, even on this site, is dismaying.


102 posted on 11/08/2018 11:21:23 AM PST by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: marktwain

But,....but....the Second Amendment is about hunting, right? You can’t hunt in your home. /s


103 posted on 11/08/2018 11:32:02 AM PST by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: marktwain

Limited to household carry?

Sounds just a bit like infringement.


104 posted on 11/08/2018 11:40:30 AM PST by lurk
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To: VanDeKoik

Pretty much nails it...


105 posted on 11/08/2018 12:04:27 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 $215.71 frm 50% increase in 1.2183 yrs)
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To: marktwain

Makes sense (not), we’re never in any danger except when we’re in our homes. How can anybody seriously make that arguement let alone convince a panel of judges?


106 posted on 11/08/2018 12:17:42 PM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: marktwain
The plaintiffs say that the Massachusetts firearms licensing statute, as implemented in Boston and Brookline, violates the Second Amendment. The district court disagreed, and so do we. Mindful that “the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited,”

Since it didn't put limits on it when it was written, then yes, it is unlimited.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

*Shall not be infringed* means, NO LIMITS.

107 posted on 11/08/2018 12:31:29 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: lurk; All
Limited to household carry? Sounds just a bit like infringement.

The entire tone of the opinion was: how much infringement can we justify, using cherry picked phrases from Heller and McDonald?

108 posted on 11/08/2018 12:51:15 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

NOTHING prevents the lame duck Congress which is still controlled by the Republicans for Impeaching and Removing these Judges and passing a LAW cementing in stone the Right to Carry ANYWHERE!!


109 posted on 11/08/2018 12:57:10 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: eyeamok

Nothing except their political philosophy and contempt for the citizenry of the United States.


110 posted on 11/08/2018 1:25:46 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
we hold that the challenged regime bears a substantial relationship to important governmental interests in promoting public safety and crime prevention without offending the plaintiffs' Second Amendment rights

In other words, "Regardless of what the Constitution says."

111 posted on 11/08/2018 1:35:38 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Tenacious 1
In other words, "Regardless of what the Constitution says."

Or to put it another way: Government power is not to be limited.

112 posted on 11/08/2018 1:42:48 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: arrogantsob

If these ***hole “judges” say your Second Amendment right ONLY apply in your house. Your First Amendment rights must only apply in your house also. We’ve got too many black-robed morons playing god in this country.


113 posted on 11/08/2018 2:04:53 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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To: Senormechanico

Good.

I think Tucker Carlson and family and other conservatives will have to make sure they do the same.

Some people believe in that dusty old U S Constitution the libs are increasingly hinting about scrapping. Not a chance.


114 posted on 11/08/2018 3:26:19 PM PST by frank ballenger ("End vote fraud,noncitizens & illegals voting & leftist media news censorship or we're finished.)
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To: sickoflibs

No, how I read it doesn’t affect many lives. I only meant I believe we have citizen rights under the 2nd Amendment that should not be diminished and made ineffectual by various judges.

I read the article (link didn’t work but found it). Thanks. Very controversial. New law Oct.1. Is it supposed to stop the Parkland types or the Adam Lanza ones? Who makes the red flag protective order decision ?


115 posted on 11/08/2018 3:48:03 PM PST by frank ballenger ("End vote fraud,noncitizens & illegals voting & leftist media news censorship or we're finished.)
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To: arrogantsob
"... the mentally unstable are not guaranteed the right to bear arms."

I scored a perfect 100 on my last mental stability test. What minimum score is required to be guaranteed the right to bear arms?

116 posted on 11/08/2018 10:43:13 PM PST by William Tell
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To: frank ballenger
RE:” New law Oct.1. Is it supposed to stop the Parkland types or the Adam Lanza ones? Who makes the red flag protective order decision ?”

New Maryland law and unfortunately I live in Maryland.

Expect to see the Dem controlled House to be passing national laws like this one next year, no telling what the GOP Senate and Trump will do in response.

117 posted on 11/09/2018 4:41:50 AM PST by sickoflibs ('Equal protection' only applies to illegals not you!)
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To: William Tell

You not be institutionalized and have not been for five years would be a place to start.


118 posted on 11/09/2018 10:26:25 AM PST by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: arrogantsob
"...a place to start."

The problem with the anti-gun crowd is not in finding a place to start. The problem is that they will never find a place to stop.

Whatever criteria one imposes on those who may be a risk, there will always be those who don't meet the criteria and yet commit the offenses. Additionally, a lot of people will be disarmed who, in fact, won't harm anyone.

Those who would limit the size of detachable magazines were satisfied for a while with 15 cartridges in New Jersey. We're down to 10 in Kalifornia. New York has decided that the magic number is 7.

There is a price we must be willing to pay to preserve our liberty. There is also a price we must be willing to pay if we are to continue eliminating morality and responsibility. It is perhaps unclear that those two issues can be disconnected.

119 posted on 11/09/2018 11:57:08 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

There have been gun control laws in the past in almost every state and many cities. Remember Wyatt Earp stopping the cowhands from carrying in Dodge City.

It should be considered that the Second amendment was not intended to apply to the states but only to the fedgov.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Militias were State institutions and were able to defend state interests against a tyrannical fedgov. The US military was tiny during the early days.

The individual right to keep and bear arms derived from the fact that every able-bodied man was considered to be part of the militia. (this is explicit in state constitutions, Illinois’ is.) I have no doubt that they did not consider the “...right of the People...” does not mean that every person retains that right when their behavior does not violate other laws or become a criminal or they are a danger to the public.


120 posted on 11/10/2018 11:52:08 AM PST by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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