Lion Air crash: Boeing 737 plane crashes in sea off Jakarta

BBC ^ | Monday, October 29, 2018 | unattributed

[SunkenCiv]

An Indonesian airliner has crashed into the sea with 189 people on board. The Boeing 737, owned by the low-cost airline Lion Air, went down after taking off from the capital Jakarta. Flight JT 610 was headed for the western city of Pangkal Pinang. Rescuers have recovered some bodies and personal items, including baby shoes. There is no sign of survivors. The cause of the crash, which involved a plane that had been in operation since August, remains unclear. The incident is reported to be the first major accident involving a Boeing 737 Max - an updated version of the 737... Flight JT 610 took off from Jakarta at 06:20 on Monday (23:30 GMT on Sunday). It was due to arrive at Depati Amir airport in Pangkal Pinang an hour later but 13 minutes into the flight, authorities lost contact. The pilot had asked to return to Jakarta's Soekarno-Hatta airport, officials say. Lion Air Chief Executive Edward Sirait said the plane had an unspecified "technical issue" on a previous flight, but he said that this had been "resolved"... Established in 1999, Lion Air operates domestic flights as well as international routes to South East Asia, Australia and the Middle East. It has had issues of safety and poor management in the past and was banned from flying into European airspace until 2016. In 2013, Lion Air flight 904 crashed into the sea on landing at Bali's International Airport. All 108 people on board survived. In 2004, flight 538 from Jakarta crashed and broke up on landing at Solo City, killing 25 people. In 2011 and 2012 a number of pilots were found in possession of methamphetamines, in one incident hours before a flight.

[SunkenCiv]

[Image copyright EPA Image] Debris found from Lion Air crash in sea Belongings - including a handbag - and debris are being recovered from the suspected crash site

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks UNGN.

[Lee25]

This reminds me of American commercial pilot community. It’s is the whitest professionals as far as I see. I wonder why they never advocate diversity or affirmative action over this group

[Repeal The 17th]

Beberapa serpihan pesawat Lion Air JT 610 yang jatuh di perairan Karawang.
Pesawat membawa 178 penumpang dewasa, 1 penumpang anak-anak dan 2 bayi dengan 2 Pilot dan 5 FA.
Basarnas dan Kementerian Perhubungan terus melakukan penanganan.
Beberapa kapal tug boad berada di lokasi.
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(I have no idea what that means)

[onona]

Put that airline out of business and jail every single person in management for life.

[2111USMC]

Roughly, it says 178 adult passengers, 1 child, 2 babies, 2 pilots and 5 flight attendants on board.

[deport]

178 penumpang dewasa, 1 penumpang anak-anak dan 2 bayi dengan 2 Pilot dan 5 FA.

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Don’t know either but I think it is a listing of people on board. 2 Pilot,
5 Flight Attendants, 178 passengers and the other two I don’t know or
even have a guess.

[NutsOnYew]

I keep looking at the brief pic of the wreckage in the video. Planes that land in water don’t usually have their exoskeleton ripped off. Bomb?

[SW6906]

"Put that airline out of business and jail every single person in management for life."

Huh? What if it is a design flaw? An engine problem? Neither would be the fault of the airline. Wait for the cause to be determined before pinning blame.

[SunkenCiv]

Pilot error, maybe dope-related. No other details online that I saw.

[Gay State Conservative]

I’ve flown Air Tanzania and Air Malawi...long,long ago.I was young and foolish then.Never again will I fly a Third World airline.

[BobL]

“Twenty employees from Indonesia’s finance ministry were also on board, the BBC has learned.”

I’d certainly be checking into this angle...

[Gay State Conservative]

Having visited that part of the world I can attest to the fact that the weather can get very,very nasty there.Some of the worst thunderstorms I’ve ever seen have been in Indonesia,Malaysia and Singapore.

[Spktyr]

The fuselage skin does get ripped off if the plane hits the water at speed - fuselage breaches, water enters at speed, the fluid hammer effect manifests and panels come off. It doesn’t if the plane is actually trying to ditch and has slowed as much as possible.

[Spktyr]

Lion Air does have a recent poor record for safety, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air#Incidents_and_accidents

[Kickass Conservative]

The most advanced Boeing 737 ever built falls out of the sky?

Can’t wait to hear what the Investigators find out.

[SgtBob]

The “skin” around a fuselage would remain intact with a controlled landing. Uncontrolled, it would be shredded. Empennage, and wings totally destroyed. The human body is more hardy than a breached aircraft.

[UNGN]

The Plane had a loss of control minutes into the flight. The previous had the pilot complaining about unreliable airspeed and altitude and he let the co-pilot fly it.

The Capt on the crashed flight seemed to have control problems and may have damaged the plane with his reactions to the planes actions.

The plane dropped 500 ft right after takeoff, at only 2000 feet and it looks like the pilot commanded that.

New airplane, control problems and a pilot who reacted wrong and flew it into the ground. No need for bombs or gay, suicidal pilots.

Thread from last night with more info:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3700757/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Still, glad you posted it, really clears things up. ;^)

[TennTuxedo]

You hit the nail on the head. This is not the first time that Indinesian finance ministers have been killed in a plane crash in the past two years.