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Nervous Callers Worry About Military-At-Border Optics
News.iheart.com ^ | October 22, 2018 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/23/2018 5:29:51 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

RUSH: Here is Mike in Youngstown, Ohio. Getting a call in here the first hour. Welcome, sir. How are you?

CALLER: Good. Good, Rush. And I hope you and your family's all doing good. Listen. I think this has all the makings of a bad setup for Trump because of the optics. I don't care if he militarizes the border, if they bum-rush the border like they did on the southern side of Mexico where they tried to stop 'em; what's our military supposed to do? Break out batons or water hoses or tear gas? That's just gonna look so bad that Trump is gonna take the brunt of it. What he needs to do is call the House and the Senate back into emergency session and do a national address. And put everybody's butt on the line. Not just try a tad deal with this himself.

RUSH: So bring 'em back in for a special session to do what? Pass legislation specifically saying that this mob of 7,000 can't come in?

CALLER: Something of that sort. I mean --

RUSH: You think Trump needs to share the burden of providing the obstacle that if Trump sends the military down and they start cracking heads and it looks bad for Trump?

CALLER: Exactly.

RUSH: So you think that's what the actual intention here is, the people who have planned the thing?

CALLER: Exactly. And that's where you can't try to deal with this on his own. He needs to put everybody else's butt on the line, get 'em on tape, on film, or whatever, what should we do. What would you like to do if they come across --

RUSH: I actually like that in a way, I like making Schumer and Pelosi stand up for letting these people in. Anyway, it's a good point. It's a... It's a... I don’t wanna say dangerous situation, but it is in whole lot of different ways.

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RUSH: So still lots to get to as the program unfolds before your very eyes and ears. Back to the caravan story 'cause we're not quite through with this. The thing that argues, again, for this being a Democrat Party operation or an operation intended to benefit the Democrat Party...

"AP Changes Headline After Liberals Complain About Describing Illegal Caravan as 'Army Of Migrants.'" That is the original AP story on this that enraged a bunch of leftists. "The Associated Press on Sunday changed a headline after a backlash from liberals furious at the AP for describing a caravan of illegal immigrants heading towards the United States as an 'army of migrants.' 'A ragged, growing army of migrants resumes march toward U.S.,' read the original headline on the AP story." [snip] -------------------------------

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RUSH: Wilton, Wilton in Macon, Georgia. Great to have you with us on the EIB Network. Hi.

CALLER: Thanks. The reason why I called, I spent all of the years in the military. I retired from the Marines, and although we are very good at a lot of things, we are not good at basically civilian type nonlethal warfare. We've gotten much better at it since Afghanistan and Iraq started, but that is one thing throughout the years we've not been good at. So this situation, and look, I'm 100% for putting the military on the border, but this one is perilous, and we have to be careful.

RUSH: Well, when you say the military's not prepared for an invasion, you're talking about... This is not a military invasion. You're talking about a human wave invasion of people that largely are gonna be thought of as starving, thirsty, poverty stricken, this kind of thing, simply demanding a better life. (impression) “Oh, my God. Let us in please!” The military is not used to standing up to people like that, certainly not inflicting harm on them. Is that what you're saying?

CALLER: Yeah. I think the difference is, you know, when it comes to lethality, we are very good at that. When it comes to less lethal, that's just not something we do that well. We have individual units that are very good at it, but that wouldn't be enough -----

RUSH: What about just the presence, here's U.S. military standing at the border, "You will not cross," okay? What happens then if they do? And --

CALLER: Therein lies the problem. That's the perilous part of the problem.

RUSH: Yeah, but you don't use bullets. You don't use bullets. What are the dummies called? I forget. You use some accuse force but not lethal.

CALLER: We have variety of different things to use, but, you know, all it takes is one person going down and squealing like a pig and then it's over, you know, we just have to fold up. I don't see anything good coming out of this, but the presence would be tremendous.

RUSH: But the presence would be... Okay. So there's... You think the military showing up is... Let me just put words in your mouth and you tell me if I'm right or wrong in interpreting you. You think the military showing up is a lose-lose Proposition?

CALLER: No, I think initially it's a great idea, but we have to be prepared for the next step.

RUSH: Well, but you say we can't take the next step because the next step is not it can't here as good at, they're not used to it. Don't know how to do it.

CALLER: Now that's the peril. By all means we have to be prepared politically and militarily.

RUSH: Well, then what is it? What's the preparation?

CALLER: We have to be prepared to use deadly force, I think.

RUSH: Okay. Well, let me give you a scenario, then.

CALLER: Okay.

RUSH: And I’m just doing this in interest of time. It may sound insensitive and I don't mean that. They hold the line, they hold the line, provide a visual presence, a visual obstruction. They send the signal, "Not welcome. Do not cross." There will be constant warnings, but somebody does and they have to shoot one or two.

CALLER: We have to shoot one... And I’ll tell ya, I bet you’d see lot of people would fall in line, probably wouldn’t push the issue anymore. I'm talking about members of the immigrants, the illegal aliens, but we'd have to be prepared to take that one or two. It's terrible, but that's what it takes --

RUSH: You don't think if one or two got hit that it would storm... Cause the mob to enrage, storm the military, just and essentially storm the bullets, storm the guns? You think they would ?cease and desist.

CALLER: I think they would cease and desist. I tell you, a lot of times tough guys have a tendency to fold up when they're met with equal strength or more. We just have to --

RUSH: But even if there is a casualty or two, the Drive-Bys have their story: Trump, military fires on harmless unharmed, hopeless people.

CALLER: And there's the peril.

RUSH: Yeah.

RUSH: Okay. So the alternative is to let 'em in.

CALLER: No. No. Have to hold the line. Like I said, somebody's... What is it the Democrats are always saying? "Somebody's gotta take one for the team, be willing to lay their lives down." Well let's see. It's unfortunate, but this is what they're taking on by taking on this caravan.

RUSH: Okay. Right. So the responsibility for what happens to them has to be on them. You think the media is gonna allow that? This is... Look, I can't start another thought 'cause I couldn't finish it.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; caravan; caravanarmy; honnduras; illegalaliens; invasion; mexico
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

I guess if we can’t shoot them that is a pretty good scenario. Maybe we could find a way to load some of the democratic leadership in with them on the planes?


41 posted on 10/23/2018 6:23:13 AM PDT by Envisioning (Carry safe, always carry, everyday, everywhere.)
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To: VideoDoctor

Because obviously they are only “marching” long enough for photo-ops. The rest of the time they are riding in busses and trucks.


42 posted on 10/23/2018 6:24:43 AM PDT by Envisioning (Carry safe, always carry, everyday, everywhere.)
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To: VideoDoctor
How will the caravan ever arrive in time to affect the midterms???

There was a U-Tube video posted yesterday showing several big flatbed semis transporting a load of "marchers" north.

43 posted on 10/23/2018 6:29:36 AM PDT by spokeshave2 (The Paradigm has shifted...the New World Order is Trumpian.)
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To: Betty Jane

Reasonable. Combine that with shutting off all money transfers out of the US to Latin America.

And...

Trump stating that the new trade deal with Mexico is dead, but the portion of the deal with Canada is still going to move forward to the Senate for ratification.

Mexico’s revenue streams (currently)

#1 - Oil
#2 - Money remittances from USA

We shut off #2
We frack, frack, frack to drop the price of oil and diminish #1
We close the border and kill the trade deal with Mexico to shut off all trade revenue and imbalance with Mexico.

You are right, Trump needs to slam the door while the invading barbarian army is still at least 3 days away from a US border.

Mexico will be exposed after these hurricanes.

We will see if Mexico spends its resources taking care of its people, or if they spend those resources supporting the barbarian army’s march toward our border.


44 posted on 10/23/2018 6:29:46 AM PDT by HombreSecreto (The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year)
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To: The Antiyuppie
I have to agree with the caller. All it will take is one “money shot” photo of a soldier pointing a rifle at a mom and baby (who, no doubt, will be the front of the line) to fill Dems with glee. This must be avoided.

I don't think anyone's going to get shot. I think the military will stand by helplessly while this army marches in. And I think in their hearts, people like suburban soccer moms will be disconcerted when they watch the optics of thousands of young men defying the military and the military being helpless to stop them. The big government they've always supported, the one that was going to take care of and protect them and their kids, is really powerless? My gut says they won't like that feeling at all.

45 posted on 10/23/2018 6:29:54 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: VastRWCon

Rush is rightfully concerned. Realize that there is NO movement of troops (that we know Of) towards the border. These particular callers were chosen and featured for the show.

I would guess that whomever created has created and financed the caravan will have the foresight to train an acting invader to provoke a sympathetic incident.

They will all stand with their phones and attempt to capture a frame that paints our border defense as inhumane. It’s the only card they have left to play.


46 posted on 10/23/2018 6:30:40 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Betty Jane
I think we should announce that we are closing the border when the invasion gets to within 100 miles of the border. No one at that point crosses in or out. Have the military enforcing the border closing. Announce it now so that American tourists are aware of the risk they are taking.

Let Mexico know we are prepared to inflict a level of pain on their economy sufficient to gain compliance from them. Whatever it takes. And shutting down the border to all people and commerce is just a first step.

47 posted on 10/23/2018 6:33:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

We should have a couple Engineer Brigades already there digging tank ditches and running concertina wire in a comprehensive obstacle plan to canalize the mob. This reduces the forward element size at key crossing points where a loosely laid abatis can force dispersion in depth and facilitate orderly ICE procedures backed by MPs in riot gear.

For the white space between likely avenues of approach—where the obstacle plans are executed—show of force ground and air patrols are used to incentivize movement to the controlled crossing points. We can see a long way into Mexico, and deploy quickly in dramatic fashion—fast roping, Apaches, Abrams, maybe even a Company parachute op to give the mob fear and facilitate the obstacle plan.

Agree no obvious non lethal action, but there is covert non lethal that can be used including cell phone interdiction. Amazing this mob is so very poor, but they can afford cell phones to organize by social media. According to AP social media is their C2. Coordinate a defensive cyber op to take down their C2 and flood their net with conflicting messages that are coordinated with the ground dimension defensive plan.


48 posted on 10/23/2018 6:35:02 AM PDT by animoveritas (Dispersit superbos mente cordis sui.)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

I’m willing to bet that there will be a shooting at the border, a BAD one! And the US Military will be blamed, as there will be a convenient contingent of reporters there to film the event.
Possibly even Crisis actors in Uniform with Guns.

I put nothing past the Rat Bastards.


49 posted on 10/23/2018 6:41:48 AM PDT by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: animoveritas

No, you are promoting defense. Defensive structures always fail

What is required is a military deployment in Mexico to stop the invaders that have already violated Mexican soverignty

Mexico has abrogated soverignty to the invaders. There is no violation of soverignty to deploy troops across the border to destroy the invading force

Attack, attack, attack.....


50 posted on 10/23/2018 6:43:49 AM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Hondouras. Provide a military government)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
Pay the Mexican government off to send in their military and do whatever is required to turn the tide back before the invaders get near the US border.

DEMOCRAT PARTY CONVENTION - CHICAGO 1968


51 posted on 10/23/2018 6:46:09 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Not My Circus, Not My Monkeys)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

The optics would be horrible, I agree with the caller. I say, we put an end to this way before they get close to the border, there are other ways............


52 posted on 10/23/2018 6:50:04 AM PDT by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: Eddie01

YEAH and lets unload them somewhere like in Yemen.


53 posted on 10/23/2018 6:51:22 AM PDT by Dont tread and Live (waso)
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To: iontheball

aGREE COMPLETELY....STOP THEM IN mEXICO AND DARE THE mEXICANS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.


54 posted on 10/23/2018 6:52:36 AM PDT by Dont tread and Live (waso)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

If they go to Californicate then I dont really give a s*&t.


55 posted on 10/23/2018 6:53:36 AM PDT by Dont tread and Live (waso)
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To: Baldwin77

cATCH...RELEASE....THEN SHOOT.....:-)


56 posted on 10/23/2018 6:54:28 AM PDT by Dont tread and Live (waso)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

6. Ban the media from the operations area.


57 posted on 10/23/2018 6:59:56 AM PDT by Rebelbase (..)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Roll up on them with that microwave crowd control weapon. Beam it out and they won’t come near the border. Alternate with the poop water cannon.

And be sure and target the ones with the vests.


58 posted on 10/23/2018 7:04:19 AM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA)
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The optics of LeVoy Finnicum being shot down didn’t bother the libs at all. They loved it, were screaming for blood shed.

But the optics of illegal immigrants invading our country being shot at, would make the libs go crazy.

Funny how that works. Actually, NO, not funny at all. It’s pure madness!


59 posted on 10/23/2018 7:22:14 AM PDT by IndependentGranny
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Put them all on cruise ships and take them out to sea and vet them one by one.for every person deported let one vetted individual in. It will make Trump look good and limit the flood. wait until the hurricane passes first though. The slow process will infuriate the media.


60 posted on 10/23/2018 7:22:46 AM PDT by cnsmom
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