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Don’t Believe the Saudi Lies
National Review ^ | October 21, 2018

Posted on 10/21/2018 2:26:16 PM PDT by reaganaut1

Nineteen days after Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi disappeared in the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi regime has at last acknowledged the obvious, that Khashoggi is dead. After first insisting that he had left the consulate of his own accord despite video evidence to the contrary, and then slamming the allegations of his murder as “baseless” and threatening oil sanctions against those claiming otherwise, the kingdom has finally settled on its official story: Khashoggi was inadvertently killed inside the consulate during a fistfight that just happened to break out in the midst of an otherwise standard meeting with Saudi intelligence officials. The regime has made a show of dismissing and arresting several officials it says were rogues, and attributes responsibility for the killing to them only.

As alibis go, this barely qualifies. It is a wildly implausible story clearly designed to absolve Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman of responsibility of the murder and therefore leave open the way for continued close relations with the United States. President Trump and Secretary of State Pompeo seem inclined to suspend disbelief, which would be a serious mistake. The situation demands a tougher, less credulous approach.

The Saudi explanation has changed enough times to give the impression that the kingdom was trying on different hats to see which might fit. There is convincing evidence that Khashoggi’s killing was the result of a premeditated operation carried out with bin Salman’s support. Turkish intelligence has alluded to a recording of the killing not released to the public, but thanks to video surveillance, the world knows for certain that a group of Saudi musclemen flew into Istanbul and entered the consulate hours before Khashoggi arrived.

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To: reaganaut1

Don’t believe the Democrat lies. Saudi internal affairs are none of our business.


21 posted on 10/21/2018 2:38:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: bigbob

Beating the war drums.


22 posted on 10/21/2018 2:40:01 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: reaganaut1

Who cares?


23 posted on 10/21/2018 2:41:55 PM PDT by exnavy (America: love it or leave it.)
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To: reaganaut1

I don’t care about this issue at all except for that fact that the Saudis were not truthful to our President and embarrassed him by doing so. They should pay a price for that fact alone.


24 posted on 10/21/2018 2:42:06 PM PDT by angelrod
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To: headstamp 2

YES, beating the war drums. Followed closely by I just don’t care. It is none of our business.


25 posted on 10/21/2018 2:43:33 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: reaganaut1

Once again, National Review jumps the shark. This is the editorial board that believed Iraqis would welcome us with open arms. The reality is that Sunni Arabs in Iraq opposed us because a future without Saddam was a future without the perks of minority rule by one of their own. And that was enough, because of an America unwilling to impose Saddam-like repressive measures (i.e. large-scale massacres of the friends and family of identified insurgents), to put 5,000 GI’s in body bags. Saddam held it together because Iraqi Shiites and Kurds feared rather than loved him.

The problem with Saudi Arabia isn’t the royals or even the mullahs. It’s the population. National Review keeps telling us about the importance of assigning blame to people for their actions. It has somehow skipped over the reality that the people of Saudi Arabia are descended from generation after generation of deeply-religious bandits barely held in check by the Saudi royal family. If the al-Sauds fall and are replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood, I’m sure National Review will disown responsibility for its moronic policy recommendations.


26 posted on 10/21/2018 2:45:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: reaganaut1
Khashoggi was a Muslim Brotherhood propagandist.

Was he registered as a foreign agent when the Washington Post paid him for his pro-MB editorials?

Republicans get indicted for not registering.

27 posted on 10/21/2018 2:45:38 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: reaganaut1

Islam, Russia, China, Drug Cartels: What do they have in common?! They kill people. The neighborhood of Ward and June Cleaver and the local children named Theodore, Wally, Eddie, Lumpy, and Whitey are the equivalent of Unicorns and Lollipops compared to most of the rest of the human populations of planet Earth.


28 posted on 10/21/2018 2:45:47 PM PDT by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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To: reaganaut1
Don’t Believe the Saudi National Review Lies
29 posted on 10/21/2018 2:47:11 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: reaganaut1

I could care less the Saudis offed this guy. He wasn’t even a US citizen.


30 posted on 10/21/2018 2:47:20 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Democrats Hate America)
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To: reaganaut1

Yes, it’s definitely wiser to believe the Turks’ lies.

Or to believe the Muslim Brotherhood’s lies.

Or to believe the left’s lies.

Or to believe the neocons’ lies.

Much, much better.


31 posted on 10/21/2018 2:47:47 PM PDT by TheConservator (All the blather about TrumpÂ’s violation of the law is simply a projection of their own lawlessness.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

This prince they are after is trying to bring Saudi Arabia out of the 7th century and away from Wahhabism and violent Islam. Turkey , Iran, Syria, and a bunch of other bad actors, along with the globalist at NRO benefit from keeping the continued wars in the Middle East going.

The media has their pantries in a wad because this corpse was a “journalist” and they think themselves above reproach by anyone even if they jump into the middle of a political fight.

Trump should accept the princes explanation, let him deal with it and move on in his support of Saudi modernization. Corkhole and NRO are against this prince and they are the epitome of GOPE status quo goons.


32 posted on 10/21/2018 2:48:15 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: exnavy

I think we’re supposed to care because evidently he was a citizen of The Washington Post...or something like that.


33 posted on 10/21/2018 2:49:07 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Glad2bnuts

This incident doesn’t make sense. If a government wants someone gone they will use one or two quiet professionals, who will cause the target to have an “accident” where there are no people or cameras around. Having a large crowd in a highly visible and likely surveilled building is not how you do this.


34 posted on 10/21/2018 2:49:46 PM PDT by Stevenfo
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To: reaganaut1

A Muslim Brotherhood supporting Islamist gets his “Insha Allah” and Obama, the Demoncrats, and Faux Conservatives are outraged. Are we actually surprised?


35 posted on 10/21/2018 2:50:19 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: jdege

[The Turks are lying through their teeth.

The Saudis are lying through their teeth.

And our own media is lying through their teeth.

I have no idea what the truth is, about any of this, except that nobody, on any side, gives a damn about the truth.]


The Turkish government is no stranger to killing or imprisoning journalists. But the Democrats won’t raise a big stink about that, because the Turkish government is anti-American. Just about any anti-American government in the world will get favorable media coverage. The one temporary exception is Russia, because it serves as a useful stick to use against Trump. Without the Russia drumbeat, would Trump be underwater in the polls?


36 posted on 10/21/2018 2:51:53 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: reaganaut1

Does anyone else want a coke?


37 posted on 10/21/2018 2:52:40 PM PDT by Jeff Vader
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To: reaganaut1

it’s hard to believe the Saudi version; i never trust the Turks, especially Erdogan - so don’t know where we’ll end up on this one. i just find it amusing that Khashoggi is the media’s darling this week - and that so many are shocked, shocked, i tell you, that the Saudis act ruthlessly. so not buying much of what i read and hear.


38 posted on 10/21/2018 2:52:56 PM PDT by avital2
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To: reaganaut1
I wish we had a media that didn't lie ALL THE TIME. So we could make reasonable assumpyions from 'the news'.

"People's Daily,China‏Verified account @PDChina
Zheng Xiaosong, head of Chinese central government’s liaison office in Macao, died on Saturday night after falling from his residence in Macao due to depression, according to a statement of the office"

Now, that's how it's done! Media silent...

39 posted on 10/21/2018 2:53:03 PM PDT by mrsmith (all the time)
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To: Zhang Fei

I agree. I originally supported the Iraq war because I believed the Iraqis were an ancient and cultured people and only needed the opportunity that freedom would offer in order to excel.

I’ve never been more wrong about anything in my life and regret that thinking to this day.

The problem with the Saudis, or Iraqis or Syrians, etc. isn’t repressive government. Their problem is islam.


40 posted on 10/21/2018 2:53:40 PM PDT by KyCats
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