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On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen”
Harvard Law Review ^ | MAR 11, 2015 | Neal Katyal & Paul Clement

Posted on 10/20/2018 1:57:10 PM PDT by Jack Black

PDF We have both had the privilege of heading the Office of the Solicitor General during different administrations. We may have different ideas about the ideal candidate in the next presidential election, but we agree on one important principle: voters should be able to choose from all constitutionally eligible candidates, free from spurious arguments that a U.S. citizen at birth is somehow not constitutionally eligible to serve as President simply because he was delivered at a hospital abroad.

The Constitution directly addresses the minimum qualifications necessary to serve as President. In addition to requiring thirty-five years of age and fourteen years of residency, the Constitution limits the presidency to “a natural born Citizen.” 1. U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase “natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: naturalborncitizen; nikkihaley; tulsigabbard
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To: editor-surveyor

*someone’s doing the oxy*


41 posted on 10/20/2018 2:39:19 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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To: Jack Black
Star Trek had an episode where the leader of the global government was a walrus-looking alien who happened to be born on the earth of two alien ambassadors.

Only a matter of time.

42 posted on 10/20/2018 2:39:44 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: be-baw

When asked about this publicly Ted Cruz had a very poor answer. In my opinion, his reply should have been something like:

“This is a complicated issue because the language both in the Constitution and other parts of the law is, despite what some advocates of particular formulas or legal positions say, unclear. It is something we need to clarify. As president, I will do that. It needs to be done. But, you may rest assured that I have no national allegiance to any nation except the United States. I am an American. It is the only county I want to be a citizen of.”

Cruz didn’t do that. Instead, he just brushed the question off and I think that was a huge mistake and I do think it hurt his campaign. Cruz should have made clarifying this an issue and worn it like a badge.

Though honestly, Ted was born in Canada, to an American mother with a Cuban father and lived as a young child in Canada. I don’t see how he can meet a non-excessively convoluted standard.

Nikki Haley, I can see a case being made for.

The Gabbard woman, no she falls into the same category as Ted Cruz.

John McPain, US citizen parent in the military born overseas, I have no problem with (We’re putting politics aside here) Assuming he was ACTUALLY born in Hawaii, not Kenya Barrack Obama has a better case than Ted Cruz.

Given the standard, some on FR use Barry Goldwater was ineligible because when he was born Arizona was a territory, not a state.


43 posted on 10/20/2018 2:40:58 PM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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To: Jack Black
She was however born in South Carolina

Good enough for me.

44 posted on 10/20/2018 2:41:40 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Fai Mao

It’s easy...If there is a doubt, they’re not.


45 posted on 10/20/2018 2:43:14 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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To: Electric Graffiti

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Someone is not reading the amendment.
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46 posted on 10/20/2018 2:43:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: bigbob
None of this will matter unless it is to be used against a Republican candidate.

Let Donald Jr., Eric, or Ivanka Trump run for President and they'll be debating this on CNN. "Maybe the Birthers have a point! We need to explore this!"

47 posted on 10/20/2018 2:44:25 PM PDT by Drew68 (Twitter @TheRealDrew68 https://twitter.com/TheRealDrew68)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes, the authors of the 14th meant that children born to tourists from Paris, on a weekend vacation in NY, become U.S. citizens. Because, you know...it’s right there in the Amendment. /bong hit.


48 posted on 10/20/2018 2:47:06 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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To: Paine in the Neck

I’d prefer it would just get settled one way or another by SCOTU, but I think your proposed definition is practically unworkable. As an example I give you a riddle to solve for my son: born on U.S. to two citizen parents but still would not qualify as a natural born citizen under your standard, as he also qualified (and received) a foreign passport at birth. How?


49 posted on 10/20/2018 2:47:09 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Fai Mao

Cruz was born a US citizen by the definition held by SCOTUS early in the 19th century, when it was composed of mostly founders.

The parent in the SCOTUS case was the Father, but SCOTUS has recently affirmed that there is no difference between Mother and Father.


50 posted on 10/20/2018 2:48:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Fai Mao

Argghh!!! you’re giving me a headache. I categorize the “what determines the qualifications to run for president?” completely out of my control, so there’s no reason for me to worry about it.


51 posted on 10/20/2018 2:49:37 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking...)
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To: be-baw

More to the point, as we found out with Obama, if someone wants to take it to court, the courts will not touch it.


52 posted on 10/20/2018 2:49:41 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Electric Graffiti

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Read the amendment.

It is as plain as day.

Stop making a fool of yourself.


53 posted on 10/20/2018 2:50:54 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hugin

Exactly right.


54 posted on 10/20/2018 2:51:03 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

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The actual evidence is strong that Obama was born in Seattle.

The question is did he relinquish it in Indonesia.


55 posted on 10/20/2018 2:53:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Can you “relinquish” natural born citizenship?


56 posted on 10/20/2018 2:55:31 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Thank You Rush
I don’t believe that was the argument where obozo was concerned but was added just in case the readers/voters couldn’t think for themselves
57 posted on 10/20/2018 2:56:14 PM PDT by Jack Black (See my profile for Muller vs.Trump scorecard and other analysis of various anon claims.)
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To: Thank You Rush
I don’t believe that was the argument where obozo was concerned but was added just in case the readers/voters couldn’t think for themselves
58 posted on 10/20/2018 2:56:33 PM PDT by Jack Black (See my profile for Muller vs.Trump scorecard and other analysis of various anon claims.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

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You can relinquish citizenship by accepting citizenship of the country of your residence.


59 posted on 10/20/2018 2:58:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

The authors were crystal clear on what they meant. They’re on record as to what they meant. Why would you search for a different meaning? Especially when that ‘meaning’ would remove congresses role in naturalization and would naturalize children to those here on tourist visas under the 14th. An amendment which was passed solely for stateless slaves.


60 posted on 10/20/2018 2:58:45 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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