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A Long Way From the Arsenal of Democracy
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 18, 2018 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 10/19/2018 5:51:14 AM PDT by reaganaut1

From Saudi arms sales to ‘Horseface,’ the weirdness of the Trump presidency never seems to let up.

This may seem small, but I don’t think it is. I know it will seem old-fashioned. It has to do with a great nation’s sense of its own stature on the world stage.

In the days after the apparent murder of the Saudi activist and writer Jamal Khashoggi, President Trump was repeatedly pressed about the potential U.S. response if it turned out, as seemed likely, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had ordered the killing. Mr. Trump made it clear his first consideration was what he thought of as a practical one: He didn’t want to cancel lucrative arms deals with the Saudi government. “I don’t like the concept of stopping an investment of $110 billion into the United States,” he said. That number was inflated, but Saudi Arabia is the largest purchaser of U.S. weapons.

Mr. Trump told Lesley Stahl of “60 Minutes”: “I don’t want to hurt jobs. I don’t want to lose an order like that.” Later in the week he told reporters that Saudi Arabia is a “tremendous purchaser” of U.S. military equipment, and this must be factored in.

It was startling. We talk like this now? In public? I guess it’s supposed to look tough and bottom-line. But we declare now that U.S. foreign policy is quite so transactional?

We used to be ashamed, or at least embarrassed, to be seen as arms merchant to the world. It didn’t quite sit with our vision of ourselves. And American presidents, as representatives of a nation with a certain moral stature, didn’t use to declare that our world stands are heavily influenced by arms contracts.

We used to play it a little more high-minded.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; horseface; khashoggi; mob; noonan; peggynoonan; trump
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1 posted on 10/19/2018 5:51:14 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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—It was startling. We talk like this now? In public?-—

You mean telling the truth instead of political dissembling? yeah.

—We used to play it a little more high-minded.——

You mean LIE to the public, Peggy?


2 posted on 10/19/2018 5:56:07 AM PDT by StoneRainbow68
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To: reaganaut1

Love how the clown media always is very careful to cover up his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and his carrier as a terrorist mouthpiece.

Here a clue for you Clown media, NO ONE CARES.


3 posted on 10/19/2018 5:59:11 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: reaganaut1
I love how all the useless old has been Never Trumpers have come out of the wood pile to be the the propaganda bots for the Iranians and the Russians on this.
4 posted on 10/19/2018 6:00:55 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: reaganaut1

Hasn’t Peggy reached her sell-by date yet? She’s so sour that even spoiled milk seems sweet by comparison.


5 posted on 10/19/2018 6:04:06 AM PDT by Avalon Memories ( Proud Deplorable. Proud born-in-the-USA American Dreamer.)
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To: reaganaut1; SunkenCiv; RoosterRedux

“...the weirdness of the Trump presidency never seems to let up....”

They try to paint Trump as weird. THE democrats are the freaks.

Sick, twisted freaks.

Info coming up in post to ‘all’.


6 posted on 10/19/2018 6:04:20 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (News and poltiicians who ignore James O'Keefe are fake and evil.)
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To: reaganaut1

Stuff it, Margaret. (Extreme Bushie).


7 posted on 10/19/2018 6:04:22 AM PDT by RightGuy
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To: reaganaut1
<>"We used to be ashamed, or at least embarrassed, to be seen as arms merchant to the world."<>

We who!?

I am extremely proud of our ability to produce some, if not most, of the world's finest armaments.

USA! USA! USA!

8 posted on 10/19/2018 6:05:30 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The Media is not the Enemy of the People; it is the House Band of the Wealthy.)
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To: reaganaut1
"the weirdness of the Trump presidency never seems to let up"

And the petty demagoguery of the hapless NeverTrumpers doesn't either.

Ni valor de pedo de puta.

9 posted on 10/19/2018 6:06:14 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Those with intellect bear the burden of thought.)
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To: All

Trump’s critics are the REAL freaks!

Demented and corrupt.

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Some women protested topless, throwing stones and flaming objects at Our Lady Auxiliadora church... [snip]

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Rosie O’Donnell Calls For Military Takeover In U.S.

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Texas Dems ask noncitizens to register to vote, send applications with citizenship box pre-checked
The Washington Times

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3697911/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3697300/posts

Frontpage Magazine:

In high school, Jamal Khashoggi had a good friend. His name was Osama bin Laden.

“We were hoping to establish an Islamic state anywhere,” Khashoggi reminisced about their time together in the Muslim Brotherhood.

[snip]

Ever since Civil War, DNC = terrorists: KKK, black panthers; muslim refugees, BLM ...

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Latest Saudi controversy:

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is against Wahhabism aka radical Islam. That’s the key point to understand.

Don’t forget that bin Laden tried to drive the Saudis into becoming a terror state. They fought him to the death on that.

Quick History lesson:

The Saudis’ ancestors were allies of the UK. They gained power through denouncing the earlier dynasty as too westernized. And the UK fell for their tricks despite the strident objections of Lawrence of Arabia [the most brilliant Middle East geopolitical strategist of his day].

Now the Saudis are seeking to be modern [it took us a long time to get them there] and Rubio is falling for the new anti-western movement which could place ISIS on the Saudi throne or something similar.

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...he rented the event room at his Mt. Juliet business to U.S. Senate candidate Rep. Marsha Blackburn on Saturday. Courtney said he’s been called a Nazi, an abuser, had his life threatened and said his staff has been verbally attacked. [snip]

Anti-GOP Violence Escalates, Top Democrats Egg On the Goons

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Nancy Pelosi: There Will Be ‘Collateral Damage’ to Those Who Disagree with Us

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3697835/posts

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Backlash

Nancy Pelosi shouted out of a restaurant - by Cuban Americans in Miami!!! [VIDEO]

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FoxNews

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Beto O’Rourke says he still supports impeaching Trump

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What kind of creepy family did Kashoggi belong to?

Kashoggi’s family into some nasty organized crime:

“Add on that Adnon khasoggi, jamals uncle is a major smuggler smuggling everything from drugs to weapons to humans especially kids under 16 in harms way...” — rodguy911

Was Khashoggi a spy FOR the Saudis?

Is the Saudi Prince being framed?

Here is rodguy911’s research:

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10 posted on 10/19/2018 6:07:01 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (News and poltiicians who ignore James O'Keefe are fake and evil.)
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To: reaganaut1
Ha!

Really?

Don't worry, because Maxine has the market cornered on “weirdness”...which in HER case is synonymous with ‘stupidness’

11 posted on 10/19/2018 6:09:29 AM PDT by SMARTY (Hatred is a feeling which leads to the extinction of values. Ortega y Gasset)
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To: reaganaut1
And American presidents, as representatives of a nation with a certain moral stature,

Who?

FRD and Truman? Name Joseph Stalin mean anything to you Peggy?

Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon. Ever taken a close look at the regimes we supporting in African, SE Asia and Latin America?

The ONE time we tried is “Global Politics by faux moral code notion, the President was Jimmy Carter who completely destroyed the US standing in the world and created the mess in Iran and Central America we still trying to fix today.

So NEWS FLASH Peggy, your world view is naive and ignorant. It not historical, it pure ignorant wishful thinking on your part.

The USA has always had to deal with people less then perfect (example the Saudis or Stalin) to protect US National interests from worse people (Iran or Hitler)

At your age Peggy, the emotional hysteria and infantile ignorance expressed in this article is simply inexcusable.

12 posted on 10/19/2018 6:10:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: reaganaut1

Thank you for posting Peggy Noonan. She’s just as crazy as she has been for years, now.

Not the least bit practical or sane.


13 posted on 10/19/2018 6:11:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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“...a nation with a certain moral statur...”

Ask the friggin’ democrats about that!!!!!!!


14 posted on 10/19/2018 6:11:54 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

This is the GOP “Neocon” wing, isn’t it?

I still have yet to figure it out, but I think the “Neocons” think that America runs around the world “Projecting Power” everywhere, with its shorts hanging down around the ankles, takin’ it from the same Global Interests.

I suspect that these Global Interests are the “Neocon’s” financial interests.

So, they’re the militant wing of the Cheap Labor Express.

Ol’ sour-puss Noonan is one of them.


15 posted on 10/19/2018 6:14:21 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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Bloviating Peggy. What a windy bore she is and always has been.


16 posted on 10/19/2018 6:16:43 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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I don’t care that some Saudi who was a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood got offed in Turkey. That’s the bottom line. No matter how much the MSM tries to gin up some big controversy out of it, I still do not care.


17 posted on 10/19/2018 6:27:50 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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...if it turned out, as seemed likely, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had ordered the killing.

Seems likely only if you put your trust in Erdogan and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Seems to me if Egypt wanted this guy dead they would have done it very differently.

18 posted on 10/19/2018 6:32:57 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!)
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Turkey is sucking up to Russia. Iran and Russia are good buddies. The US, via the Saudis are the only think that stand in the way for Iran being the dominate regional power.

The propaganda ploy here is so ham handed and obvious the ONLY people too stupid to see it are the scum suckers in the US Clown media.


19 posted on 10/19/2018 6:43:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: reaganaut1
Does Peggy have anything to say about the hundreds of journalists who have been imprisoned, tortured and disappeared in Turkey by Erdogan? Maybe she should go to Turkey and write something critical of Erdogan and see what happens.
20 posted on 10/19/2018 6:51:32 AM PDT by Truth29
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