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Beyond ‘no means no’: What most parents aren’t teaching their sons about sexual consent
Washington Post ^ | October 4, 2018 | Samantha Schmidt

Posted on 10/04/2018 10:10:00 AM PDT by GuavaCheesePuff

A mile east from the U.S. Capitol, on the eve of the hearing that would transfix a nation, 17-year-old Hollis Howe sliced his steak as he listened to his mother talk about sexual assault.

Holly Howe, 45, told him about a young patient who recently came into the emergency room where she works as a nurse. The woman had been found outside her apartment door, wearing a dress but no underwear, recalling nothing from the night. Hours later, after sobering up, “she looks at me and she goes, I think something happened,” Holly Howe recalled to her son and husband, Gerred Howe, at the dinner table.

“Do not ever, ever think that because you’re both drinking and you both think that it’s consensual, that it’s necessarily okay,” Holly Howe told her son.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anewera; gender; nomeansno; sexual; sexualconsent
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To: Dilbert San Diego

This article assumes there are parents in the kids lives.


41 posted on 10/04/2018 10:38:52 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: GuavaCheesePuff
"... you’re both drinking and you both think that it’s consensual, that it’s necessarily okay,..."

OK...Where do I turn myself in? Do the 1950's count?

42 posted on 10/04/2018 10:40:13 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

“” Holly Howe recalled to her son and husband, Gerred Howe, at the dinner table. “Do not ever, ever think that because you’re both drinking and you both think that it’s consensual, that it’s necessarily okay,” Holly Howe told her son.”

...As she ordered a second glass of wine before bedding down her husband later that evening.


43 posted on 10/04/2018 10:40:24 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Just don’t do it period.


44 posted on 10/04/2018 10:40:25 AM PDT by dixie1202
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

And this nutball woman thinks that -somehow- the woman being sober is protective against a sexual assault claim? Women lie for all kinds of reasons; fun, profit, anger, jealousy, revenge, to remove job competition, and just plain old crazy. They lie about sex, about being pregnant, and if they ARE pregnant about who the father is.
Even being totally innocent is no protection. There was a story here yesterday about a boy in Pennsylvania who had no interaction with the girls at all and they successfully had him charged with rape because they didn’t like him.

At this point, the boy needs to go eastern european or Russian.

Sexual allegations are like being wounded in combat. Anything you do, including -nothing at all- can get you hit.


45 posted on 10/04/2018 10:45:46 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: lepton

Exactly. Like walking down a dark alley at 1AM with money sticking out of your pockets. Someone doing such does not deserve to be robbed, but it is very likely to occur.


46 posted on 10/04/2018 10:47:30 AM PDT by Bigg Red (The USA news industry, the MSM-13, takes a machete to the truth. {h/t TigersEye})
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To: NorthMountain

“Gentlemen: Only ever stick it in your wife.”

Even that doesn’t really protect you anymore. The wife can accuse you of rape. And the women you DIDN’T stick it in can still with an accusation for all kinds of reasons you might not even know. Maybe just to make someone ELSE jealous.


47 posted on 10/04/2018 10:48:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Cottonpatch

“How does a blacked out girl remember if they were willing partners?”

In the law women are essentially treated as children. They cannot be expected to be held accountable for what they do when drunk and are allowed to say “I would not have done that if I were sober”. A man is held fully to account for every choice he makes, drunk or sober.


48 posted on 10/04/2018 10:52:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DesertRhino
Even that doesn’t really protect you anymore.

Not completely, no. It does leave you open to fewer problems and accusations than does carrying on like an alley cat.

49 posted on 10/04/2018 10:52:25 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

True fully agree.


50 posted on 10/04/2018 10:55:02 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff
What most parents aren’t teaching their sons about sexual consent?

Taught them that sexual consent is when you say "I do." in front of God.

I'm kind of old fashioned that way.

51 posted on 10/04/2018 10:56:33 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: NorthMountain

But it’s pretty amazing. In the past, your rules were an almost ironclad guarantee of protection and respect. Today, in revolutionary socialist America, there are more than a few who see the decent man and WANT to knock him down.

Crazy times my friend.


52 posted on 10/04/2018 10:57:18 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

What parents should be teaching is that mere consent is not enough; wait until both say “I do” in front of witnesses.


53 posted on 10/04/2018 11:00:09 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Parents should be giving their sons consent forms to hand to girls they date. Maybe have a witness when the girl signs it.


54 posted on 10/04/2018 11:02:14 AM PDT by airborne (I don't always scream at the TV but when I do it's hockey season!)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff
Don't date Democrats. This rule applies to both boys and girls.

If you break this rule, you deserve to have your life destroyed.

55 posted on 10/04/2018 11:07:07 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Easy solution ....don’t go anywhere near liberal women.


56 posted on 10/04/2018 11:11:13 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

But Sammy still wants to play come hither.

57 posted on 10/04/2018 11:11:42 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Oh my god this is funny. I broke an FR rule and went to the posted story. As the woman is lecturing her son on the topic, she is holding a glass of wine.
Her hapless husband is standing there watching.

If he nails her that evening, he is at risk I guess!


58 posted on 10/04/2018 11:15:41 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

If you are born with the original liberal sin of being a white male you are automatically to be assumed guilty of any accusations by females, you are never to be assumed innocent until proven guilty and you are forever tainted by your toxic masculinity, sexism and misogyny. You might be allowed to exist in the liberal world if you turn gay or transform your gender to something else or live your life as a eunuch pajama boy who frets over his hot cocoa at the slightest microagression. You will be forever condemned if you assume any traditional male roles in society.


59 posted on 10/04/2018 11:17:50 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: DesertRhino

Madness rules the world. See the icon of “St. Anthony the Great” on my profile page ...


60 posted on 10/04/2018 11:19:18 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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