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Beyond ‘no means no’: What most parents aren’t teaching their sons about sexual consent
Washington Post ^ | October 4, 2018 | Samantha Schmidt

Posted on 10/04/2018 10:10:00 AM PDT by GuavaCheesePuff

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To: super7man

I was taught at a Jr High birthday party that, if the spinning bottle came to a stop and pointed at me, I got to go into a room and kiss the girl whose spin it was, etc. I think we got 7 minutes; and it was quite a rush for a 13-14 year old.


61 posted on 10/04/2018 11:22:09 AM PDT by Migraine (<)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Is this about Keith Ellison?


62 posted on 10/04/2018 11:26:33 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Migraine

The guy I ended up with got his tooth broken for trying! I wasn’t ready for the first kiss .....he went for it and I put a coke bottle up to stop it...which unfortunately he didn’t stop in time. Ended up having a cap on his tooth and twenty years later we met and actually dated for a time. Ha!


63 posted on 10/04/2018 11:26:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: Migraine

The guy I ended up with got his tooth broken for trying! I wasn’t ready for the first kiss .....he went for it and I put a coke bottle up to stop it...which unfortunately he didn’t stop in time. Ended up having a cap on his tooth and twenty years later we met and actually dated for a time. Ha!


64 posted on 10/04/2018 11:26:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

She better be teaching him to stay away from wackadoodle libs and women will lie.


65 posted on 10/04/2018 12:17:44 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

“Do not ever, ever think that because you’re both drinking and you both think that it’s consensual, that it’s necessarily okay...”

Women give the same talk to their daughters so they don’t take advantage of men who are drunk. Right?


66 posted on 10/04/2018 12:18:14 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Malsua; DesertRhino

1. Malsua puts it most excellently:
“If both parties are drinking and the female is so drunk she can retroactively revoke consent, the male, no matter how drunk must always be held responsible?”

2. DesertRhino puts it perfectly:
“In the law women are essentially treated as children. They cannot be expected to be held accountable for what they do when drunk and are allowed to say “I would not have done that if I were sober”. A man is held fully to account for every choice he makes, drunk or sober.”

Both are far more succinct than I could ever have phrased it.

3. “Do not ever, ever think that because you’re both drinking and you both think that it’s consensual,” . . . . it is, by definition, consensual. In other words, don’t employ logic.

4. I am left wondering how the reporter knew about this dinner conversation.
Was she present at the time? (I admit I did not click on this article.)
If not, who described it to her?
If someone described it to her, is this a verbatim transcript of their description?
If not, what parts were embellished by the author?
And why? Following what journalistic principle?

5. If the journalist can dramatize the scene, let me add my own literary flourish:

“A shiver went up Hollis’ spine, as he realized that his mother named him after herself, hoping — perhaps expecting — that his nickname would be ‘Holly’.”


67 posted on 10/04/2018 12:54:29 PM PDT by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Better advice for women is to not get so drunk.


68 posted on 10/04/2018 1:13:34 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

Here is a thought. No sex before or outside of marriage.

It wasn’t set up to be a kill joy, but to protect men, women, and children.


69 posted on 10/04/2018 1:51:47 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: rightwingcrazy

Coyote Ugly?


70 posted on 10/04/2018 1:59:19 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Zathras

I do not have the ‘puter skills to post the “Crazy-Hot” video; can some intrepid FReeper please post it?


71 posted on 10/04/2018 2:00:46 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: DesertRhino

Been in many of those hard places with women, my FRiend, despite always trying to be a Southern Gentleman.

I love women, but have had (more than?) my share of mistreatments.

It is all good now, but there for a long while, I seriously wondered if I could EVER trust a woman again!


72 posted on 10/04/2018 2:06:28 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Cecily

Yep. That’s where I was headed.


73 posted on 10/04/2018 2:10:35 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: sphinx

It may apply to firearms as well. Obama even suggested as much.


74 posted on 10/04/2018 2:15:58 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Revel
"Why don’t we ban the Washington post from FR’s news section."

Start with ALL CNN "content".

75 posted on 10/04/2018 2:40:13 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

In my opinion Even CNN does not come close to being as fake as the WP. The WP is like a CIA op against conservatives. They don’t even try to look unbiased.


76 posted on 10/04/2018 2:43:04 PM PDT by Revel
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To: GuavaCheesePuff

There’s a solution for those who want to put forth the argument women are just too fragile to take responsibility for their own alcohol and drug intake: No bar or restaurant can serve alcohol to single women under age 50. How’s that?

(yes, it sounds ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than expecting men to be responsible for the irresponsible behavior of their ‘equals’)


77 posted on 10/04/2018 2:48:36 PM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: lepton

“Girls also need to understand that if they are substantially drinking, that it is *intentionally* losing control of the situation.”

Exactly!
If I intentionally drink and then chose, while drunk, to drive a car then I am 100% liable for those actions regardless of how the person I hit was driving. I can’t go back and say that I did not MEAN to chose to drive. No no, I did not CONSENT to getting behind the wheel.... riiiight.


78 posted on 10/04/2018 4:08:14 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: caww

Great story. At one of those parties, there was one girl everyone wanted to avoid. Just my luck! We went into the side room and just talked about math and English and one thing and another until the 7 minutes were up... My buddies razzed me about it for months.


79 posted on 10/04/2018 5:29:11 PM PDT by Migraine (<)
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To: Migraine

Oh you lucked out! I guess we all have stories we can cringe at now or close calls even!

One of my friends older brother (out of school) offered to give me a ride home from her house. Wouldn’t think that would be a problem or even considered possible.....he drove past my house which of course set the alarms off...in seconds he turned around and took me back when I loudly protested....threw a dime at me and said to call him when I grew up! as I jumped out of the car.

Did I tell my friend about it....of course I did!


80 posted on 10/04/2018 8:30:29 PM PDT by caww
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