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Victor Davis Hanson: Are we on the verge of civil war?
washingtontimes.com ^ | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 09/20/2018 4:00:29 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Americans keep dividing into two hostile camps.

It seems the country is back to 1860 on the eve of the Civil War, rather than in 2018, during the greatest age of affluence, leisure and freedom in the history of civilization.

The ancient historian Thucydides called the civil discord that tore apart the fifth-century B.C. Greek city-states “stasis.” He saw stasis as a bitter civil war between the revolutionary masses and the traditionalist middle and upper classes.

Something like that ancient divide is now infecting every aspect of American life.

Americans increasingly are either proud of past U.S. traditions, ongoing reform and current American exceptionalism, or they insist that the country was hopelessly flawed at its birth and must be radically reinvented to rectify its original sins.

No sphere of life is immune from the subsequent politicization: Not movies, television, professional sports, late-night comedy or colleges. Even hurricanes are typically leveraged to advance political agendas.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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To: RoosterRedux

No.

Because the people that keep bragging about having all the guns, are waiting for someone else to be the guy that shoots. When that guy actually fires that gun, instead of bragging about how much ammo he has, gets arrested and put in prison, then they will magically disappear.

People here are no more inclined to sacrifice their nice life for a shooting war, than anyone else. Civil war is just big talk. You cant even get people here to actively protest RINO senators.


21 posted on 09/20/2018 4:18:51 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: jmacusa

It happened long before that. Spygate was well under way before the election.


22 posted on 09/20/2018 4:19:43 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: billorites

It won’t be pretty if it comes to this.


23 posted on 09/20/2018 4:20:46 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: VanDeKoik

Righties tend to have jobs. Lessens the opportunities for professional protesting.


24 posted on 09/20/2018 4:20:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: RoosterRedux

but it is also a point of no return.

I agree. Now, it’s easy to be a keyboard warrior - and I’m hardly hypocritical enough to claim I’m going to march on Washington when I can barely muster up enough incentive to drive down to the supermarket . . . but at the same time, intellectually, I feel like we’re all living on a powder keg. Granted, most of this is caused by the media, who’s been feeding this discord all along, but it’s impossible to deny there IS real discord in this country, and two distinct camps who literally HATE everything about people on the other side. And I’m part of that, too - I HATE these liberal rear-holes. I hate that they hate our country. I hate that they’re standing in our way. I hate that they’re perverted and stupid and want EVERYONE to be the useless vermin that they are. I see nothing good about any of them OR their party or their beliefs and I think they’re doing immeasurable damage to our country AND that it’s gotten far worse in the last two years than it’s ever been before. Are they simply going to stop “resisting”? No, they’re not. So where else can this lead? If they’re going this nuts about Kavanaugh, what insane level are they going to power up to when Ruth Ginsburg drops dead and Trump gets ANOTHER Supreme Court pick? What are they going to do if / when they lose the midterms? And THEN how much more insane are they going to get if / when Trump wins another term in two years? They’re already on the cusp of violence and I can’t see any of these things NOT pushing them over the line. Hell, we even had that fat piece of shit Algore claiming Trump’s Presidency should just be aborted because he sucks so much! WHAT?! We have leftists openly calling for rebellion - and not some dirty hippie-wannabe but members of the previous administration. This is vile. It’s got to stop somehow. Trump MAKING it stop by firing and arresting a bunch of these people would be a good start - they need to be shown they can’t get away with their tantrums or, like little children, they’re going to keep having them.

Sorry about the early morning rant. I need more coffee (or maybe I don’t! LOL).


25 posted on 09/20/2018 4:21:22 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: mewzilla

To tell you the truth I don’t think the real Civil War ever stopped. Just the shooting.


26 posted on 09/20/2018 4:21:28 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: mewzilla

That is the rationalization for apathy


27 posted on 09/20/2018 4:22:22 AM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: RoosterRedux

“Every day we will either treat each other as fellow Americans, with far more uniting than dividing us, or we will continue on the present path that eventually ends in something like a hate-filled Iraq, Rwanda or the Balkans.”

The globalists are seeking the latter option. Then they intend to move in and pick up the pieces.


28 posted on 09/20/2018 4:23:47 AM PDT by odawg
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To: RoosterRedux
Think back to the “civil war” of the Vietnam era. The Left didn't have the guns back then either. They fought their battle in the media.

The media are fifth columnists. They should be the first to go.

29 posted on 09/20/2018 4:24:18 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Hanson is just reciting the obvious. Joe McCarthy bought the country a few good years, but the vermin are back, more radical and in our face than ever. Worse, their determination to win this time has physical force and resistance written all over it. For us, it comes down to liberty or death, so there you have it in a nutshell.


30 posted on 09/20/2018 4:26:52 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: RoosterRedux

Basically Constitutionalists vs. non-Constitutuonalists....


31 posted on 09/20/2018 4:27:48 AM PDT by PigRigger (Satire is near impossible now. Liberals donÂ’t understand it and for conservatives it is reality.)
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To: RoosterRedux

It’s been going on for a while. The Left has actually backed off a little since Trump took office. BLM has been MIA. That won’t last forever.


32 posted on 09/20/2018 4:28:10 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: bert

The need to support your family, put food on the table, a roof over their heads, clothes on their backs is a rationalization for apathy!

Who knew!

The only protest that counts occurs at a polling place. And I get to mine regularly.


33 posted on 09/20/2018 4:29:01 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: RoosterRedux

Liberals are like Steelers fans: they think the world began in 1974.


34 posted on 09/20/2018 4:30:03 AM PDT by Dana1960
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To: RoosterRedux
“or they insist that the country was hopelessly flawed at its birth and must be radically reinvented to rectify its original sins.”

Ask these morons to tell us about any country or culture that wasn't/isn't flawed. What race/ethnicity has done nothing sinful/aggressive/destructive?

The reality is that it is resentments, hatreds, jealousies, and self-promotion that motivates those holier than thou anti-US pukes who are pulling the nation apart. Further, it is our ill-intentioned media who are pouring gasoline on the fire.

35 posted on 09/20/2018 4:30:40 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: RoosterRedux

He writes:

“...The old Democratic Party of John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton is now...”

What is he talking about?

The Clintons started this with their social engineering and opportunism. They were not democrats. They ran under the democrat party name. They brought democrats along with them (even republicans). Obama and his handlers, under whom this got out of control, the bushes and their own party of one world rule, advanced it. But tgeclintons started this and tgey were not democrats. She wasn’t. And he goes with her. Package deal

Don’t know whaT VDH is talking about here.


36 posted on 09/20/2018 4:31:39 AM PDT by stanne
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To: RoosterRedux

I think you are right. Unfortunately.


37 posted on 09/20/2018 4:31:40 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: mewzilla

It also shows that those same people aren’t going to go run around and engage in battles where they actually shoot and or kill people.

So if you cant be bothered to protest because you have to clock in, then what are they doing talking about a “civil war”?


38 posted on 09/20/2018 4:32:27 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: RoosterRedux

There can no longer be co existence. Hillary has disavowed the very basis for the Republic. She can not be tolerated


39 posted on 09/20/2018 4:33:03 AM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: RoosterRedux

With who, liberals?

Liberals are little kids. They see themselves as the communist revolutionaries of 1900’s Russia, but they aren’t. They’re spoiled little brats.

Liberals desire the destruction of this nation.

Liberals grew up angry at their parents. They wanted to prove that their childish ways would work, but their ways don’t work.

Problem is, their parents ways do work.

So, liberals want to destroy their parent’s nation to prove their parent’s ways don’t work.

It is about a childish anger, and if you keep that in mind then everything a liberal does is predictable.


40 posted on 09/20/2018 4:35:10 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!)
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