Posted on 09/19/2018 6:08:31 AM PDT by rlmorel
There have been multiple threads with posts that demonstrate that many people don't see the importance (and just as often or even more so, the futility) of President Trump's decision to declassify the FISA applications and FBI interview related documents.
For reference, the FISA applications are referred to as 702 documents and FBI interviews are known as 302 documents.
So. Why is this declassification important? It is vitally important for two main reasons:
First, it is going to demonstrate Media complicity in the propagandizing of this "Russian Collusion" hoax perpetrated by various entities and people throughout the government. These documents are going to undeniably show that various big players in the media were willing participants in this, even while knowing the truth.
Second, it is going to show the true nature of the rationale behind the FBI behavior in this in a way that will be irrefutable. Specifically, their use of Carter Page as the rationale.
From the stellar work by Jeff Carlson: Revisiting the Page FISA Applications & James Wolfe Indictment we can see why the indictment of Senate Intelligence Staffer James Wolfe, an event not generally known to average Americans is vitally important.
James Wolfe was indicted on a charge of lying to investigators (link to the indictment document here), but that isn't the main crime. He was being investigated for leaking information to a reporter.
The man in charge of Senate Intelligence Committee SECURITY was leaking classified documents. And when interviewed on October 30, 2017 and was pointedly asked if he knew certain specific named reporters for various media outlets, he not only said he didn't, he wrote it down that he didn't.
Well, he did. With one of those reporters he had a three year sexual relationship: Ali Watkins, then a reporter at Buzzfeed, now of The New York Times.
(James Wolfe and Ali Watkins)
On March 17, 2017, the unredacted 82 page FISA application was delivered to the Senate Intelligence Committee.
On March 17, 2017, James Wolfe, Head of Security for the Senate Intelligence Committee, made 82 separate texts to Ali Watkins. Which happens to be the length of the FISA Warrant (702 form) which was redacted and released to the public (click here to view it)
If you click the link and view the document, there are 37 FULLY REDACTED pages. Why would someone take the time (probably under time duress, in a locked room, hoping not to be interrupted) transmit 37 fully blacked out pages by individual text messages?
The answer is clear: Because Senate Intelligence Committee Staffer James Wolfe transmitted the entire UNREDACTED document to Ali Watkins, a woman he was having a multi-year sexual relationship with, who was also working for Buzzfeed AND New York Times at that time.
A key piece of info that is sure to come out in the unclassified version President Trump will release is...the date October 19, 2016. Why is that important?
It is important because it was a date referenced for a FISA warrant approval, previously unknown, for the first FISA warrant on Carter Page. In the Washington Post article, it said the date of approval was October 19, 2016. We know now, the real date was October 21, 2016. And why is it important? It is important because that was likely dis-information planted in the version to TRACK DOWN LEAKERS. (Remember, this was in the Trump administration, March 17, 2017 when this document was sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee)
If you look at the REDACTED version linked above (and here again for convenience, the documents released) You can see that no specific dates are visible in the entire sheet. All have the day redacted. So that is an indication that a reporter saw the date October 19, 2016, and ran with it. And with that, they had a starting point to determining where the leak came from. That resulted in the FBI knocking on James Wolfe's door on December 15, 2017, and his arrest on June 7, 2018.
SUMMARY: So, with all this, it means the Media (at least three major elements including the New York Times and Washington Post, and Buzzfeed) had access to the UNREDACTED version of the warrant. THEY KNEW THIS RUSSIAN COLLUSION FANTASY WAS PURE HOKUM, BUT CONTINUED TO REPORT ON IT AS IF IT WERE LEGITIMATE. And this will be confirmed when the UNREDACTED documents are released.
As for the FBI and DOJ malfeasance in getting the FISA warrant approved...They started out getting their surveillance info illegally from FBI contractors, but Admiral Michael Flynn shut that down when he saw the increase in query patterns into the NSA database. So they had to get a FISA.
For reference, here is the section of the FISA framework which states that Under Title 1 of the law, nicknamed traditional FISA, law enforcement must go before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to receive a warrant to surveil an individual or group of people. To get that warrant, law enforcement must show probable cause that a person is an agent of a foreign power. That means the government had to demonstrate someone was acting as an operative or agent for Russia.
They probably started out with George Papadopoulos as their target, but...he didn't pan out. He wasn't biting, even when Stefan Halper baited him with an all expenses paid trip to a conference in the UK and eagerly asked him "You know about the Hillary emails, right?" Stinks of desperation. But it wasn't working.
So they had to try to switch to Carter Page as an agent of Russia (See the summary of the guideline above. Also, check out this article by by Paul Sperry: Exclusive: FBI Kept From U.S. Spy Court Russian View of Carter Page as 'an Idiot' Except there was one thing...subsequently, surveillance sources on Russians had said that Russian Intelligence viewed him as a possible candidate for exploitation, but discarded the notion because they thought he was "unreliable" and "an idiot". IMPORTANT: THIS WAS KNOWN BY THE FBI BECAUSE THEY HAD CONDUCTED THE SURVEILLANCE.
If that is the case (read the article by Paul Sperry!) given the guideline for FISA warrants Under Title 1 of the law, nicknamed traditional FISA, law enforcement must go before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to receive a warrant to surveil an individual or group of people. To get that warrant, law enforcement must show probable cause that a person is an agent of a foreign power what is that going to say about the FBI if they DELIBERATELY WITHHELD EXCULPATORY INFORMATION ON THE FISA WARRANT AFTER IT IS CLEAR THEY KNEW HE WAS NOT A RUSSIAN AGENT?
Under Title 1 of the law, nicknamed traditional FISA, law enforcement must go before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to receive a warrant to surveil an individual or group of people. To get that warrant, law enforcement must show probable cause that a person is an agent of a foreign power. That means the government had to demonstrate Page was acting as an operative for Russia.
Hahahahahaha! Boy, talk about a fortuitous change here on FR! You would have had to “recuse” yourself from a lot of threads, just to ward of personal attacks!
Oh yeah. I was ashamed to login...
Glad you found it informative, Auntie Mame!
You’ve been around a while, I don’t recall meeting you before...how do you do?
I can only imagine...
Now a thank you is appropriate.
I thank both of you for your kind replies and your additional thoughts.
I certainly agree with both of you.
I am past 90 and have always followed politics and I have never seen anything like what is happening in DC today. Way back when, we suspected it and saw some of the bad things but the old timers were much more skilled at covering their corruption and the public did not have the tools we have today to find out what was going on.
And it is people like you who make the new tools work for the rest of us.
Anyway, thanks again.
Yer the man! I have to confess, I was envious when I saw your Freep name...
I am getting a bit older and can now be classified as a “Senior Citizen” and have decided to leverage it...:)
My saying is: “Embrace Your Curmudeonliness!”
If your name wasn’t taken, I would have grabbed it!
I meant for this to go to both of you:
Now a thank you is appropriate.
I thank both of you for your kind replies and your additional thoughts.
I certainly agree with both of you.
I am past 90 and have always followed politics and I have never seen anything like what is happening in DC today. Way back when, we suspected it and saw some of the bad things but the old timers were much more skilled at covering their corruption and the public did not have the tools we have today to find out what was going on.
And it is people like you who make the new tools work for the rest of us.
Anyway, thanks again.
OMG past 90 AND you have internet skills BRAVO I am so impressed !!!!
I join Kit Kat with her kudos to you. I too am highly impressed with your internet skills at 90. Thank you for all your contributions here.
Don't want to cause thread creep but:
Computers are no problem.
But Old Curmudgeon is what I am.
Computers and Iphones are no problem. But while I am eating breakfast, ads on TV for ED, community bathrooms, abortion. changing sex as you and I would change shirts......
I am old enough to have serious thoughts about what is happening to our country because of our willingness to accept concepts so radical.
Actually goes right along with this thread. Considering how exposing the deep state methods of destroying our Country goes hand in hand with them destroying our culture and society.
Some of us need bumper sticker information.
Thanks, Chode! I post these things in the hope they can both provide an understandable explanation and serve as a resource. I do that with a lot of posts by others on FR.
After 28 years, a full generation, of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama administrations Trump has revealed to the American citizenry that we ARE a banana republic. A glossy slick version, as in the movie version of the Godfather, “You can steal more money with a briefcase than with a gun”.
He is conducting the counter coup ... Whether this can be achieved without a bloody civil war remains to be seen, but the sheer breadth and mass arrayed against the republic IMO leaves me in doubt.
I agree 100% with you, Covenantor!
Awesome! Thanks. I don’t recognize the guy Trump was humping at the end and realize now that I need to add some mugshots to my e-book. Who is he?
That was Rod Rosenstein!
Seriously? I guess I never saw a pic of him. I’ll be adding mugshots to my e-book right soon, if for no other reason than to relate names to images of those soon to once again be in the news (hopefully).
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