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Did Amber Guyger shoot Botham Shem Jean over noise?
thegrio.com ^ | September 12, 2018 | Kia Morgan Smith

Posted on 09/12/2018 6:54:48 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter

Edited on 09/12/2018 9:54:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: TheZMan

I was confused as well. Poorly-written.

But now having gleaned witness statements it puts this in an entirely new light.


41 posted on 09/12/2018 7:48:00 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: rbg81

If the floors of a building are thin enough, just the person walking around normally can make a lot of noise below. I lived in a condo with this problem, lucky for me the person above me was a woman who wasn’t very large, but the people in the condo above her drove her crazy with their stomping around.


42 posted on 09/12/2018 7:50:16 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 1)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

“In fact, there were noise complaints that very day about upstairs activity in Botham’s apartment.”
She just finished a 15 hour shift, that doesn’t add up.


43 posted on 09/12/2018 7:50:22 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
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To: miss marmelstein
He doesn’t prop doors open when they’re expecting guests.

I know! The entire article is full of this stuff. Who writes these things? In another part it says, "The officer told police that she concluded her apartment was being burglarized and gave verbal commands to the figure, which ignored them."

In addition, not using quotation marks for the "let me in" part and the confusion about whether she lived upstairs or downstairs from the victim, the entire article is a very poor example of journalism.

44 posted on 09/12/2018 7:54:40 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Amber Guyger lived one floor directly above Jean’s door.

“The only connection we have been able to make is that she was his immediate downstairs neighbor,”

Wait ... what?

45 posted on 09/12/2018 7:56:18 AM PDT by al_c (https://conventionofstates.com)
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To: MCF

That doesn’t mean the complaints came from her.


46 posted on 09/12/2018 8:00:10 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Little Pig

Yeah, I’ve said at motels, and even expensive hotels, where we could hear the party above us (or to the side). In some cases, they’re not doing anything abnormal, just walking an talking. It ruins the stay.


47 posted on 09/12/2018 8:02:49 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
He said two witnesses reported hearing a ruckus. “Both heard a knock or pounding… They heard pounding followed by a female voice saying open up, let me in, not a command by an officer,” he explained.

Well, there goes the defense that the door was unlocked.
48 posted on 09/12/2018 8:03:12 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: Gay State Conservative
The family’s doing their best to set this thing up for a huge payday...courtesy of the taxpayers of the City of Dallas.

And why the hell not? If Dallas is stupid enough to hire this trigger happy harpy, they should pay for it. I know that if someone came to my house thinking it was theirs and then shot me dead, I would want my family to be compensated big time.

49 posted on 09/12/2018 8:06:20 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck (The)
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To: luv2ski

I have no idea what “The Grio” is but I just checked out Kia Morgan Smith’s account...probably not a graduate of Columbia U...


50 posted on 09/12/2018 8:08:00 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

“Manslaughter is the least of the Dallas cop’s worries at this point. “

She’ll get get a Betty Shelby acquittal.


51 posted on 09/12/2018 8:09:42 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: ExpatCanuck
It depends on exactly what did,and did *not*,happen here.If,by chance,this was nothing more (and nothing less) that an incredibly stupid series of mistakes made by her then I don't see why the DPD should be held fiscally responsible.

Even if there was actual malice involved (which could be the case) how is the City of Dallas responsible?

Of course if she had been responding to a call (that is "on duty") it would be entirely different.

IOW,sue the woman herself for every nickel she has.Unless there's something important that I'm missing I could easily vote to award the family $10 million from her personally.

The City of Dallas? No way! "Not responsible" would be my vote.

52 posted on 09/12/2018 8:14:43 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (I've Never Owned Slaves...You've Never Picked Cotton.End Of "Discussion".)
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To: Little Pig

That excuse may or may not fly.

Typically, newer apartments lay down sound damping panels or pour wet gypsum on the floors during construction. When the gypsum dries, it makes for a decent sound damper.


53 posted on 09/12/2018 8:17:56 AM PDT by cyclotic ( WeÂ’re the first ones taxed, the last ones considered and the first ones punished)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

From what I’ve read so far, it seems that both the parties lived alone. Has anyone seen anything different?


54 posted on 09/12/2018 8:22:49 AM PDT by Will88
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To: matthew fuller
The blood alcohol test will tell the story.

DID they do a blood alcohol test on her? WOULD police officers compel a fellow officer to do a blood alcohol test, if in their observation a test would not be helpful to their fellow officer?

55 posted on 09/12/2018 8:24:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It rubs the rainbow on it's skin or it gets the diversity again!")
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To: texas_mrs

unless it’s not true.


56 posted on 09/12/2018 8:27:49 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: cyclotic
Typically, newer apartments lay down sound damping panels or pour wet gypsum on the floors during construction. When the gypsum dries, it makes for a decent sound damper.

I've lived in a condo for years.I have people above and below me. I've had the carpeting replaced so I know that the floor is made on some sort of concrete.Noise has never been a problem for me...but the people below me complained about my radio and TV when I first arrived.Since then I keep the volume down and use headphones a lot.

57 posted on 09/12/2018 8:28:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (I've Never Owned Slaves...You've Never Picked Cotton.End Of "Discussion".)
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To: ExpatCanuck
And why the hell not? If Dallas is stupid enough to hire this trigger happy harpy, they should pay for it.

Does the Federal Government bear any responsibility for creating pressure to hire women? Women tend to be trigger happy because they know they can't fight a man, especially a big man.

I just want to know how far this blame for what this individual did, needs to be spread.

58 posted on 09/12/2018 8:29:35 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: cyclotic

One of the “selling points” of South Side Flats is their “stained concrete floors”, which are going to act like a drum head for anything causing vibrations.


59 posted on 09/12/2018 8:30:10 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: Bonemaker

I very much doubt that. I predict she will get ten years, with nine suspended.


60 posted on 09/12/2018 8:30:39 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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