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OK, here are some harsh political realities - you might not like them, but please read them before telling me I’m wrong.

Well, I didn't read your post the first time I responded, and it's a good thing I didn't.  What a bunch of sophomoric prattle.

Trump barely squeaked by in 2016 with a victory, mostly because Clinton was a trainwreck of a candidate and Trump knew how to capitalize on her weaknesses.

Yeah, of course Trump's actual platform and seemingly endless rallies to explain them to the American public had nothing to do with that.  It was just Hillary that screwed up so bad, that Trump was able to win.  He didn't present anything that the American public could buy into.  He didn't tell her she should be in prison at his debate.  Why if he had done that, he would have scared off 90% of his base.  To hear you tell it, that's exactly what should have happened.  Did it?

Worse yet, of the approximately 50% that voted for Trump, only about 10% (or fewer) are like you and I, immune to MSM propaganda. It is only this 10% that sees the battle lines drawn the way you and I do - only we see the threat from the Left, - the way they have monopolized the deep state bureaucracy, the universities, Hollywood, the media. Only this small fraction of the voting public is aware of the corruption and the stark double standard in our justice system.

Do you realize you laid out that only 10% of Trump's supporters would still have voted for him if he had planned on prosecuting Hillary?  That means that you think all of Hillary's voters would have voted for her, and 90% of Trump's voters would have too.

To the other 90% of voters, the talk of corruption is unconvincing - it sounds to them like conspiracy theories - each side pointing the finger at the other - and they do not know who to believe. The 40% that voted for Trump did so for other reasons - not the corruption. Some habitually vote Republican, others liked his position on border security, jobs, ISIS or something else.

What I’m trying to say is that in order to keep the White House and control of the legislature, Trump absolutely needs that 40% just as badly as he needs our 10%. It has to add up to 50%.

Your are so lost in space.  Trump retorted to Clinton, "Yeah, because you'd be in prison!"  You  evidently don't recall that.  How many of his supporters did he lose?  Strangely enough, he won.  History does not prove you to be right.  It proves you to be headed 180 degrees in the wrong direction on this train of thought.

If Trump mobilizes his AG and DOJ to prosecute and punish the corrupt Obama era co-conspirators for treason - it’s only that 10% (perhaps far fewer) of voters like you and I that will agree that they deserve life in prison or perhaps to be hanged.

What will the other 90% think of that?

The U. S. Code regarding top secret information information was violated by Hillary Clinton.  All a person has to do is read or listen to what it says, then hear what Hillary Clinton did, and then be presented with the fact that foreign entities tapped into her home server.  It's an open and shut case.

Well, the 50% who voted for Clinton will be mad as hornets. What about the 40% (honest mistake, but you said only 10% of Trump's supporters would have stuck with him, so this 40% should be 90% to be accurate) of voters who voted for Trump, but are not convinced that deep state corruption even exists? They may not be mad as hornets, but they will have serious doubts when it comes to long prison sentences or capital punishment.

I haven't called for capital punishment.  I don't think this is a capital punishment case.  It is a Leavenworth prison case.  Nice try.

They will be very susceptible to the 24/7 Leftist propaganda campaign that will be designed to play on those doubts, and cause them to question whether Trump is truly meting out justice, or whether he is on a political witch hunt, purging the government of anyone who disagrees with him.

In other words you're saying that this would be the proverbial straw that would finally take Trump down.  Good grief, you can't help yourself.  This is precisely the type of argument the Leftist media used for over a year to take Trump down.  "Oh, he's gone and done it now!  This will do it!"  No, it won't.

Political figures are prosecuted not all that rarely.  They are convicted.  They do time in prison.  We have a legal code in this nation, and Hillary Clinton violated it.  Rod Blogovitch was convicted in Chicago of all places.  Remember?

You can disagree with my 10% - maybe it’s more, maybe it’s less - but if Trump were to pursue that course, he would not be able to drum up anywhere near 50% who would approve. And he needs 50%.

That is such utter nonsense, even you must wince at the idea you actually tossed that on the forum.  Trump as much as stated that Hillary Clinton was a crook, and should be in prison in one of the debates.  He said things like that on the campaign trail.  It actually garnered him votes.  Where the hell were you when all this was happening?

In order to further his agenda he needs to remain in office, and in order to remain in office, he has to appeal to voting blocks that simply do not share our zeal about punishing deep state corruption. There are just not enough of us - not even close.

You really are a spineless bucket of whimpering flesh aren't you.

Trump inferred Hillary Clinton was a crook that should be locked up in prison, and he won the election.  If his attorney general had met the Magnificent Oz he would have a brain and possibly even the courage to prosecute her.  And what would this have done?  This would have proved Trump right.  There you are claiming that it would have cost him 90% of his base.  That's nothing if not one of the most comical ideas posted to this forum.  It flies in the face of reality on several levels.


So if Trump reads the political landscape as I think he does, you will see him looking for other ways to root out the corruption - but he’ll avoid the specter of public hangings and life incarcerations. Hillary Clinton will not go to jail. Obama will not go to jail. Maybe some flunkies will get locked up for embezzlement or money laundering or tax evasion. Nobody will be hanged. Not enough of the American public would have the stomach for it.

You keep tossing out that "hanged" comment as if it is real.  What utter nonsense.  You're flailing to make an argument here, and so you've tossed in everything but the kitchen sink in an effort to sound reasoned.  By doing so, you've made yourself sound idiotic.  Of course Hillary wouldn't be hanged.  What she did was not a capital offense.  You evidently don't know that, but you're just convinced without a shadow of a doubt that Trump would have lost the election if folks thought he would prosecute her.  And yet, that's exactly how he made it sound in that debate.  You are delusional.

That’s just the way it is - I’m sorry.

It's not the way it is, and you should be sorry.  Trump telegraphed that there was a good chance he would prosecute Hillary, and he won.  Somehow you missed that.  Somehow you thought you had a great line of reasoning here based on a false premise.  Somehow down deep inside, you know I'm right too.  He didn't stop at Hillary.  He talked a lot about the corruption taking place in our nation.  You didn't know that either?  Seriously?  Where were you in 2015 and 2016?

It doesn’t mean I don’t see the corruption or that I don’t think they deserve to hang - I do. But it’s not going to happen.

There you go again.

Once again for the brain dead, if we don't weed out the corruption, put people in prison, and make it clear this sort of thing cannot happen again, it will happen again, only worse.

We now have Leftists openly stating that we need to do away with the U. S. Constitution.  We have them saying we should do away with the presidency.  Rush makes the case that they want to do away with elections, since they have claimed and are trying to convinced people that the election system has been hacked by Russia and is no longer valid.  In California and even other places today, we have illegal aliens voting.  Each election we know that the dead are voting.  We know that people are bussed in from out of state to vote.  Some Leftists brag that they voted multiple times, and at least one guy was caught doing so.

Why can't you see that all this needs to be confronted and stopped?  Why can't you see that we must confront evil to end evil?


Hillary Clinton herself is the poster girl for my claim that if we don't put these people in prison, they will continue to do things that are exponentially worse.  If Bush had gone after her, he would have prevented her from being in politics any longer.  By taking that pass, he enabled her to run for the presidency later on.  She came within a whisker of winning the election, and here you are missing one of the best object lessons in history.  Hillary Clinton would have destroyed this nation.  She came very close to winning the 2016 election, and here you are advocated we let scores of people known to have broken laws, to continue plying their trade.  What utter nonsense...

I think you will be surprised what Trump can accomplish by changing public perception, destroying political correctness, discrediting the fake news, and exposing deep state corruption by talking directly to the people.

He did talk directly to the people in the debates.  He inferred that Hillary Clinton was a crook and should be in prison.  You are off your rocker if you think any of the folks who voted for him disagreed with that.  Be honest with yourself, for the first time on this thread.  You know I'm right here.

The corrupt deep state co-conspirators may not see jail time, but they will be branded as traitors, banished from public service, and the Democrat Party will be tarnished and disgraced for generations to come.

Karl Rove, is this you?  Was Hillary Clinton tarnished under the Bush administration, branded as a traitor, her name disgraced, the Democrat party disgraced for generations to come?  No!  Now here you are pleading for me to see (what you seem to think is) the light of day, and buy into treating her the same way the Bush Administration did.  What the hell is wrong with you?  That didn't work then.  It won't work now!  Only by outing the corruption can we prevent another Obama or Hillary Clinton type figure  from hoodwinking the nation.

Trump is an amazing problem solver - he can do a lot of damage.

With the right attorney general, I agree.  We can once and for all convict Leftists in a court of law to reveal how corrupt they are.

Convicting scores of them for all the crimes they have been involved in, will tell the populace that this type of open sedition is wrong.

It will prevent those scores of people from running for higher office.  It will prevent them for being in positions of power to undo what Trump has corrected.  It will make it easier to make our case when it comes to the smut the Left is forcing off on our very young children.  It would open folks eyes to many things that are going on.  Folks don't buy into it now, because they haven't seen anyone go to prison.  They think this is all political talk, and why shouldn't they?  Nothing is ever done.  For the first time in a long time we need to put on our big-boy pants, hitch them up, and get to work.

In the case of George Soros, with he proper investigation, I believe it will revealed he is an organized crime figure.  If that is true, it would stop him from using his funds domestically and globally to commit many federal level infractions.

Well known public political figures are convicted around the planet, for the crimes they have committed.  Ex-leaders of other nations and high up political figures have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison.  Why is it that you think our nation is too back-woodsy, or inept to conduct trials and present the evidence necessary to convict corrupt people?  Why is it that you think we don't have a populace that can grasp the truth?

By your line of reasoning, we should close up the Department of Justice, the FBI, local courts, furlough judges and police officers at all levels.  Why it's just too much to think U. S. Citizens could hear evidence and convict anyone these days.

What a useless, baseless, and corrupt way of thinking.

This is a law and order forum.  I'm not sure how you took a Left turn and fell into it.

169 posted on 08/28/2018 7:26:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I haven’t called for capital punishment. I don’t think this is a capital punishment case. It is a Leavenworth prison case.”

It’s good to know that you rule out capital punishment. Knowing that puts us one step closer to agreeing.

A few more rational responses like that one, and we could have had a civil and informative conversation, and perhaps come to understand one another’s positions.

But instead you chose to get nasty. Go take a pill - I’m done with you.


172 posted on 08/28/2018 8:06:56 AM PDT by enumerated
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