Posted on 08/16/2018 7:21:52 AM PDT by artichokegrower
A crackdown on the controversial H-1B visa intended for skilled workers has struck Indian citizens harder than other foreign nationals, with federal officials hitting them with more visa denials and demands for proof of their eligibility to work.
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Landscaping, janitorial, and IT are all considered the same type of "necessary evil" expense by many American firms and are treated accordingly.
We can ask why this might be, since technology is clearly such a key driver of the profitability of modern firms from FedEx to Starbucks. The only answer is that since the irrational exuberance of the dot-com era has passed, IT's thought leaders and product vendors have not convincingly made the case that hiring and maintaining a high quality, internal, dedicated IT staff adds much to the average firm's profitability. These firms need computers, just as they need janitors and hedge trimmers. But operating and maintaining those computers is still seen as little more than a cost that needs to be carefully controlled.
Perhaps these firms are just "old school" in their thinking and will eventually lose out to nimbler competitors, as would happen under an actual capitalist system. But that is not the way it has been playing out under our system, so far.
“There are plenty of US citizens trained to do computer work...you’ll just have to pay them a little more.”
Not exactly. Many of the IT types want to go into management. There is a shortage of people wanting to code all day.....which is what I do.
“What would happen to US IT salaries if all immigration was stopped immediately?”
Companies would outsource IT
The problem with American IT workers has a lot to do with corporate culture, but it also has to do with the dark cloud issue of foreign workers. Many workers are working under the dark cloud of foreign competition where the Americans have no hope.
Take Boeing, for instance. They are current busy outsourcing everything to their overseas offices, such as Poland, Russia, Italy, and Germany. How can an American put their heart and soul into a product knowing that at any day the decision is to replace them with foreigners, moving their work overseas?
I watched at one company an Indian manager work with an American to hire more Indians. “I can get you a cut rate on these workers, at least 30%!” All of a sudden, no American candidate was qualified to do the job and the manager was firing Americans for any excuse he could find.
Foreign workers, in my experience, were never that good. I can go back to at least 1993 on that. I was exclusively DoD before that, so no foreigners there. Since 1993, I’ve taken many engineering and IT contracts in over 200 companies. Everywhere there were foreign workers there had been a corporate culture against the staff in the first place.
“So all corporations are bad?”
You’re reading comprehension is terrible. You should try to go to school and get an education and learn to read and think.
You are using the wrong terms. H-1B is outsourcing. I think you meant off shoring.
The answers is salaries would skyrocket and IT departments all the USA's college campuses(campii?) would be inundated. A very good situation.
“He was very lucky then. “
He was. He studied a specific engineering discipline that allowed him in under the specialized technical program. He lucked out when a fellow student was hired by a company for his degree specialty with a cooperative venture in India. After working several years in India on the program the US government wanted it moved to the US.
Good for him since he had been waiting to come here after having a great experience in college here.
“Our immigration laws actually torture people who try and come the RIGHT way by putting them through year after year of Bureaucrat Hell. “
Yes, they do. It also can become cost prohibitive. A minimum seems to be at least $2,500, which is an annual salary in many countries.
Companies in India send them to the US and put them into single room apartments, which is illegal in most cities. They pay them next to minimum wage, usually about $8/hr, and take their remaining money.
After the 3,6, 9, or 12 month contract is up, the company illegally keeps them in the US beyond their visa date, or fakes hiring them in a front-company to keep them in the US.
That’s human trafficking.”
The house next to my sons place in Redwood City was sold recently. The original owners basically defaulted. It is a large duplex. What was strange is that no record of the sale or the sale price could be found through normal channels. It was like the the house was swallowed up off the record.
Now I am told the plan seems to be to flip the house for conversion to a 10 unit Air B-n-B catering to ,wait for it, tech workers aka H1B’s from India. Basically a SRO hotel in a quiet residential neighborhood.
“Salaries are artificiality depressed by H-1Bs you dolt. “
He’s like the typical liberal idiot that thinks teenagers not working fast food is because they don’t want to instead of knowing companies hire Spanish speakers and ran out the teenagers by illegally undercutting them on salary and hiring illegal aliens.
H1B isn’t outsourcing. We have several of them working here. They are employees.
Your experience matches my broker’s. He has had cash deals to quietly sell property to foreign interests. He finds they then ask him to manage the property, only to find 10 Indians or Chinese living in it as IT workers.
“H1B isn’t outsourcing. “
It’s called “on-shoring”.
Same result: Displace Americans with foreigners.
That is an outstanding idea!
As I said..."you'll just have to pay them a little more".Ed Norton believed that he was paid enough to work in the sewers,otherwise he wouldn't have done it.
Of course this is assuming that you're old enough to know who Ed Norton was. ;-)
Take a look at the thread. It has been very successfully trolled.
Those of us who really work in IT know what a travesty H1B is. When someone is attempting to tell you the sky is green, and you can look out your window and see for yourself that it's blue, it really isn't very convincing.
“Absolutely untrue. Just walk into any STEM program at any college in America and tell me what percentage you think are “US citizens”.”
Most American programmers were forced out of the field due to the under cutting of their wages by imported foreign labor and they moved into sales, management, etc. and the American students that came behind them made decisions to study something else because they don’t want the shit wages.
I’m guessing that you either own or work in a business that relies heavily on H1B labor. You’re probably defending this shitty practice because you benefit from it personally. you act like a plantation owner who talks up slavery and then calls poor southerners, those who couldn’t make living wages because their labor was undercut by slavery, ‘white trash’.
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