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To: BroJoeK; wardaddy; Pelham; DiogenesLamp
Your exercise in mislabbelling & cherry-picking (#116) is noted. When you contrive to suggest that the Jeffersonians--who basically provided the ethos of the Democratic Party up until the Bryan confusion, were ideologically the forerunners of FDR, LBJ, Clinton & Obama, you espouse nonsense.

As for Jefferson's purchase of Louisiana? Yes he did cut the corner there, as to Constitutional authorization, but it was for exactly the opposite considerations to those behind LBJ's Great Society, or the Leftists winking at the open Southern border. It was, as he reported to Congress, to create a cultural buffer between the Founders' settlements & Hispanic America. (An American Immigration Policy)

As to Bill Rusher's strategy, it was basically post-Nixon, and led to the Reagan Democrats increasingly voting Republican.

You also appear to ignore the fact that the 14th Amendment was clearly an assault on the whole fabric of the Constitution, and was responsible for anchor babies, abortion, outlawing public religious expression, the removal of State Legislative checks & balances, school bussing & most of the rest of the egregious expansion of judicial activism. We obviously do not define "Conservatism" in the same way.

120 posted on 08/14/2018 8:09:43 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
You also appear to ignore the fact that the 14th Amendment was clearly an assault on the whole fabric of the Constitution, and was responsible for anchor babies, abortion, outlawing public religious expression, the removal of State Legislative checks & balances, school bussing & most of the rest of the egregious expansion of judicial activism. We obviously do not define "Conservatism" in the same way.

Years ago when I started on my journey as a Republican, these issues were first and foremost among my concerns, and every time I learned more about them, I realized that the abuses all led back to the 14th amendment.

Somehow the 14th amendment had opened up the floodgates of Judicial abuse, and created policies that were hated by the people of America, but imposed on them anyways, and against their will.

The latter portion of the 14th amendment grants too much power to judges to "interpret" things in ways that should not be allowed. It was a messy written vehicle for chaos to enter our system.

129 posted on 08/14/2018 10:35:52 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Ohioan
Ohioan: " Your exercise in mislabbelling & cherry-picking (#116) is noted. "

Sorry, no mislabelling by me and all the cherry picking is yours.

Ohioan: "When you contrive to suggest that the Jeffersonians--who basically provided the ethos of the Democratic Party up until the Bryan confusion, were ideologically the forerunners of FDR, LBJ, Clinton & Obama, you espouse nonsense."

Sorry, but the nonsense here is all yours.
Jefferson took over the anti-Administration, anti-Federalist faction of President Washington's government.
He provided them with the nullification doctrine we see today in "Sanctuary Cities" and marijuana legal States.
Jefferson was elected President thanks to the 3/5 rule, the same logic which today elects many big-city Democrats (counting non-voting illegals for apportionment purposes).

As President, Jefferson ignored the Constitution when it suited him -- I.e., Louisiana Purchase -- and proved remarkably intolerant of his former Vice President Aaron Burr's efforts to declare secession at pleasure.

Of course Jefferson was no socialist... well except for certain people who he believed should contribute according their abilities, and certain other people who should receive according to their needs... yes, except for that, Jefferson was no Democrat socialist.

Ohioan: "As for Jefferson's purchase of Louisiana?
Yes he did cut the corner there, as to Constitutional authorization, but it was for exactly the opposite considerations to those behind LBJ's Great Society, or the Leftists winking at the open Southern border."

Sure, there's always some excuse, and the excuses change from one generation to the next, but the fact remains that Jefferson, just like today's Democrats, ignored the Constitution when it suited his purposes.

Ohioan: "As to Bill Rusher's strategy, it was basically post-Nixon, and led to the Reagan Democrats increasingly voting Republican."

Sorry I missed your point here...

Ohioan: "You also appear to ignore the fact that the 14th Amendment was clearly an assault on the whole fabric of the Constitution, and was responsible for anchor babies, abortion, outlawing public religious expression... "

None of that was original intent of those who wrote, passed & ratified it.

134 posted on 08/16/2018 6:48:09 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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