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Canada should help Holocaust denier on trial in Germany: civil liberties group
The Canadian Press, via CBC News ^ | Jul 17, 2018 9:57 AM MT | Laura Kane

Posted on 07/17/2018 10:36:14 AM PDT by jerod

A civil liberties group is urging the Canadian government to end the "unjust and immoral" imprisonment of Monika Schaefer, a German-Canadian woman on trial in Germany for publishing videos denying the Holocaust.

The Ontario Civil Liberties Association says it's concerned about Canada's apparent unwillingness to come to the aid of Schaefer, who it describes as a Canadian "political prisoner" who was charged under a German criminal law that does not exist in Canada and is contrary to international law.

In a letter signed by executive director Joseph Hickey, the association calls on Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland to act immediately, starting with appointing a consular observer and direct contact for Schaefer.

"We ask you both to do everything you can to save Monika Schaefer from her ongoing unjust and immoral imprisonment in Germany," the letter says. "Every day that Canada refuses to act or acts ineffectively is a day that Ms. Schaefer spends in a foreign jail. Therefore, we express the required urgency."

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'Fake' news is apparently fine with the Ontario Civil Liberties Association, as long as it's news denying one the most documented and proven atrocities in human history.
1 posted on 07/17/2018 10:36:14 AM PDT by jerod
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To: jerod

So free speech isn’t an inherent right to you?


2 posted on 07/17/2018 10:38:52 AM PDT by thesharkboy (Charter member of the Basket of Deplorables)
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To: jerod

So is Canada going to arrest people who deny the existence of God too? And if not, why not??


3 posted on 07/17/2018 10:39:13 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: WKUHilltopper
So is Canada going to arrest people who deny the existence of God too? And if not, why not??

My understanding of the article is that Germany threw a Canadian Holocaust denier in prison, and a Canadian civil liberties organization wants to get her released.

4 posted on 07/17/2018 10:44:10 AM PDT by thesharkboy (Charter member of the Basket of Deplorables)
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To: jerod

>>’Fake’ news is apparently fine with the Ontario Civil Liberties Association, as long as it’s news denying one the most documented and proven atrocities in human history.<<

You either have free speech or you don’t.

As bad as it has become here we have it..

Canada does not.

Nor does Europe.


5 posted on 07/17/2018 10:44:12 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("please pass the winnamins" (/Principled on 6/27/2018))
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To: jerod

If the Holocaust is so well documented and proven then where’s the threat in someone challenging it?

I mean should it also be illegal to argue that the world is flat?


6 posted on 07/17/2018 10:45:30 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: jerod
Denying that the Holocaust occurred is beyond foolish,stupid and delusional for 100 different reasons..perhaps the most powerful one being all the photos,videos,eyewitness accounts from Americans,Brits,French as well as survivors themselves.Add the millions of Nazi Government documents that are available and you have a delusion of breathtaking scale.

But to criminalize claims that it didn't occur is going at least a bit too far,IMO.

7 posted on 07/17/2018 10:50:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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To: jerod

Once you accept the principle of jailing people for their political opinions it is only a matter of time before you yourself end up on the wrong end of it.


8 posted on 07/17/2018 10:51:10 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 1)
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To: thesharkboy
Free speech is an inherent right to us in America, this didn't occur in America. This Canadian, where their citizens also do not enjoy free speech traveled to Germany, where she knew that there were laws on their books about Holocaust denial and proceeded to break those laws. It's really simple don't break laws in foreign counties you visit if you don't wish to be penalized.

Would you advocate for some foreign national who violated American laws while visiting just because they believed differently? Muslims with multiple wives? Honor killings? Genital mutilation?

"Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time" Baretta.

9 posted on 07/17/2018 11:23:58 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: jerod
Free Speech. If someone wants to argue that the earth is flat, the moon is made of green cheese, the Holocaust didn't happen or the pope invented Islam, whatever.

Better to let the crazies say their piece than have them, and shortly thereafter all the rest of us, restricted to "approved thoughts" only.

10 posted on 07/17/2018 11:24:19 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd ( Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Mastador1
Free speech is an inherent right. Period. Just because Germany doesn't recognize that right doesn't make it any less of a right. Freedom of speech is given to us by God, and should be defended everywhere, regardless of location.

Having multiple wives is not a God-given, inherent right. Honor killing is not a God-given, inherent right. Genital mutilation is not a God-given, inherent right.

11 posted on 07/17/2018 11:28:02 AM PDT by thesharkboy (Charter member of the Basket of Deplorables)
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To: thesharkboy

Only in America


12 posted on 07/17/2018 11:52:19 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: All

What’s next ? Locking up Flat Earthers ?


13 posted on 07/17/2018 11:52:30 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: thesharkboy

No problem, you go ahead and try the free speech is an inherent right from God defense in foreign countries when you break their speech laws............good luck with that!


14 posted on 07/17/2018 11:53:20 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1
No problem, you go ahead and try the free speech is an inherent right from God defense in foreign countries when you break their speech laws............good luck with that!

Just because there is no legal defense to something doesn't make its prohibition correct.

15 posted on 07/17/2018 11:57:42 AM PDT by thesharkboy (Charter member of the Basket of Deplorables)
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To: thesharkboy
No, but we have to live in the real world, not the one we wish we wish we were in, and when you break real world rules you face real world consequences.

Want to rail about something, rail about the God given rights that were enumerated in our Constitution that our government has stolen from us, not about some lunatic spouting off in Germany.

Just sayin.

16 posted on 07/17/2018 12:04:03 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

I’m not railing about anything. I’m merely pointing out that we don’t have freedom of speech because of the Constitution. The Bill of Rights merely describes inherent rights, and those rights are shared by Germans. The US government has indeed refused to acknowledge our rights, and that should be more important to us as Americans. However, it is important to understand where our rights come from. They weren’t “given” to us by anyone, and they don’t exist because some piece of paper says so.


17 posted on 07/17/2018 12:14:19 PM PDT by thesharkboy (Charter member of the Basket of Deplorables)
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To: thesharkboy
Blah, Blah, Blah Blah, sorry not playing anymore, you'll just have to play with yourself.

Have fun.

18 posted on 07/17/2018 12:21:43 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: jerod

Problem is Canada, under the human rights tribunals, have a penchant for shutting down freedom of speech. It is all done on the basis that there is some army of holocaust deniers out there that need to be put in their place.

If you truly believe in free speech, we should support even the right of a holocaust denier to have an opinion. Some dirty fat old man behind a key board is hardly a threat.


19 posted on 07/17/2018 1:26:06 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: WKUHilltopper

Alberta human rights tribunal passed an injunction on a pastor who wrote an anti-homosexual article in a newspaper. He is forbidden to write ever again on the topic.


20 posted on 07/17/2018 1:26:59 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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