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Ken Blackwell on Kethledge: ‘We Can’t Afford Souter 2.0’
Breitbart ^ | 8 Jul 2018 | Ian Mason

Posted on 07/08/2018 4:48:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

National conservative leader and former Ohio Secretary of State and U.N. Ambassador Ken Blackwell expressed grave doubts Sunday about Judge Raymond Kethledge’s nomination to the Supreme Court, pushing back on the “Gorsuch 2.0” label advocated by Kethledge supporters by using “Souter 2.0.” On Twitter, Blackwell, who was a senior member of the Trump transition team, wrote that Kethledge “worried” him. “We can’t afford Souter 2.0,” he wrote, referring to George H.W. Bush nominee Justice David Souter, who, despite the endorsement of many solid conservatives, became an anchor of the left-wing of the Supreme Court for almost 20 years:

J. Kenneth Blackwell @kenblackwell Kethledge for #SCOTUS worries me. Reminds me too much of Souter. Been on bench for a decade, very few big cases - we can't afford Souter 2.0. 9:07 AM - Jul 8, 2018

The term was a play on “Gorsuch 2.0,” a moniker coined for Kethledge by conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt this week. Hewitt has links to “Never Trump” sentiment and relied on some Never Trumpers in the conservative legal world to bolster the case for Kethledge. The term, which implies a certain inevitability of a Kethledge pick, was widely picked up by the press. The Hill, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and others published pieces referring to “Gorsuch 2.0.”

Blackwell, in his tweet, referred to Kethledge’s lack of “big cases” in his time on the federal bench.

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1 posted on 07/08/2018 4:48:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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2 posted on 07/08/2018 4:50:08 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; SoFloFreeper

Hugh Hewitt is a conservative like Bowe Bergdahl is the Sergeant York of Afghanistan.


3 posted on 07/08/2018 4:56:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I am beginning to despise everyone who calls themselves a conservative. They have no class, no regard for human dignity and no regard for basic honesty.

This entire discussion and so many others are conducted at the level of a campaign to be college sorority president. This is Bush League conservatism. It's what the Bushes do.

Kethledge is a sitting judge on a court of appeals. It's a tough enough job so show him a bit of respect. If you have a disagreement, cite the case and state where you think his argument in the written opinion is wrong and why it matters.

And being intellectually honest in this manner not only shows some respect for the individual whose qualifications to sit on the SC you are questioning, but it also is a necessary ingredient of that fundamental basis for self-respect - integrity.

Shirt if that you are just a lazy sniveling Bush League intellectual fraud.

I don't know that I am a Kethledge fan. Never studied the guy, never thought about it. But he is making all the right kinds of enemies, I must say.

4 posted on 07/08/2018 5:05:17 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’ve never seen the likes of this. It’s an orchestrated campaign.

I have read pieces all over the internet and twitter about Kethledge. Legal scholars have commended his originalist rulings. His rulings on 2A, religious freedom, free speech and the administrative state are all conservative.

He and Gorsuch are close friends and go fishing together. VP Pence asked Kethledge who he would recommend for SCOTUS last go round and Kethledge strongly advocated for Gorsuch. Talked 4-5 minutes without stopping.

He attends the Anglican Church of North America, which left the Episcopal Church when they turned left. He packs- has a concealed carry permit.

I could go on, but because Breitbart and Ann Coulter have proclaimed him immigration zealot, the die is cast. Instead they want Kavanaugh, the guy who showed Roberts how to make Obamacare work. Count me out.


5 posted on 07/08/2018 5:13:21 PM PDT by SE Mom (Screaming Eagle mom)
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To: AndyJackson

I’m pretty sure DJT is listening very closely to people like Ken Blackwell and Mike Pence.

Loud voices in his inner circle. You can bet Trump doesn’t want his legacy to be forfeited because he picked a swamp creature for the court.


6 posted on 07/08/2018 5:14:52 PM PDT by blackberry1
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To: AndyJackson
But he is making all the right kinds of enemies, I must say.

I'd be more worried about the type of cheerleaders he has. When you have fake conservatives like Hugh Hewitt and Mitch McConnell pushing President Trump to make Kethledge the next Supreme Court Justice, Alarm Bells should be going off in your head.
7 posted on 07/08/2018 5:41:07 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: AndyJackson

Kethledge is a strong conservative, to the right of Roberts, Alito and Gorsuch.

I have never seen so much defamation against a conservative here.


8 posted on 07/08/2018 5:45:47 PM PDT by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Trumpisourlastchance

It’s the usual intellectually lazy Bush League conservatism - I know what I want and hey, Jackson, could you bring us another round please.

Cole Porter already wrote their theme song:

(I drink to your health)
Naw, lets drink to your wealth
Your my bon ami
Hey, that’s french
A liberty fraternity

...What a swell party, swell party
Swelligant, elegant party this is!


9 posted on 07/08/2018 5:53:33 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Trumpisourlastchance; AndyJackson
Both of you should probably read through the analysis that Breitbart provided looking at some of his recent rulings on Immigration cases:
In 2013, for example, Kethledge sided with an illegal alien who overstayed a tourist visa and then spent the next ten years, while in the country illegally, trying to get an employment visa. Two separate employers filed paperwork that would have allowed the Indian national to remain in the United States, and both times the applications were denied when U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) found the jobs to be bogus. Kethledge ruled, over a dissent by a Bill Clinton-appointed judge, that the alien himself had a right to challenge the determination that the employers did not qualify to keep foreign workers in the country, rather than just the employers themselves.
So, Kethledge seems to be implying that an Illegal Alien has similar rights to a citizen here. That's a troubling scenario if true.

Next:
Even more troubling for those who prefer an America First interpretation of immigration law, Kethledge’s opinion in Patel v. USCIS expressly rejected the government’s contention that the sole purpose of those laws is to protect American workers and benefit American businesses that need foreign labor in qualifying circumstances where they cannot find Americans. “One can speculate that Congress meant to exclude certain aliens to protect American workers, and admit other, ‘qualified’ aliens to help American employers,” Kethledge wrote. “But there is no basis in the text of the statute—none—to conclude that Congress was completely indifferent to the interests of the ‘qualified immigrants’ themselves.”
Here, Kethledge seems to be trying to present himself as a "Textulist", while at the same time legislating from the bench in favor of the Illegal Alien since "But there is no basis in the text of the statute—none—to conclude that Congress was completely indifferent to the interests of the ‘qualified immigrants’ themselves."
10 posted on 07/08/2018 6:09:45 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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In 2013, for example

Once again, joining Ann Coulter as a liar, Breitbart lies about what Kethledge actually held. Here is Ketchledges actual decision in PATEL v UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP ANDIMMIGRATION SERVICES

Here is what Ketledge wrote:

Patel filed suit in federal district court under the Administrative Procedure Act, challenging the denial [of an employment petition] as arbitrary and capricious. The district court dismissed the suit for lack of prudential standing. We reverse.

IOW the district court held that Patel did not have standing to seek judicial review of an administrative decision by USCIS. Kethledge holds that Patel does have standing to seek judicial review.

As Kethledge wrote: in enacting the Administrative Procedure Act, Congress intended to “make agency action presumptively reviewable.” ... Thus, a plaintiff lacks prudential standing only if his “interests are so marginally related to or inconsistent with the purposes implicit in the statute that it cannot reasonably be assumed that Congress intended to permit the suit.”

...[excerpting a lot more well-written argument] Kethledge concludes:

Disembodied notions of statutory purpose cannot override what the statute actually says. What § 1153(b)(3) says is that the alien, ultimately, is the one who is entitled to the employment visa. The alien’s interest in receiving it is therefore within the zone of interests protected or regulated by the statute. Patel has prudential standing to challenge the denial of his prospective employer’s petition for an employment visa.Of course the Administrative State would like for its determinations not to be judicially reviewable. But that is tyranny.

SO, in conclusion, Breitbart lied, like Coulter lied, and you are too lazy to read what Kethledge actually wrote. Good job there.

11 posted on 07/08/2018 6:32:04 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Trumpisourlastchance

Ping to Post 11.


12 posted on 07/08/2018 6:33:22 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: SE Mom
I’ve never seen the likes of this. It’s an orchestrated campaign.

See my post 11 above. So now both Coulter and Breitbart are intellectually lazy liars.

I shouldn't have to do their work for them, which is easy enough for them to do. If they want to tell me what Kethledge held, they could at least read what he wrote and quote him accurately. If he is in error, then show us the error. But, in fact, his reasoning is pretty tight and pretty well grounded in established precedent.

And why do these folks want to defend Agencies from judicial review as provided for under the Administrative Procedures Act. That is a route to unchecked administrative power.

I thought conservatives despised the administrative state and its abuses of unconstitutional powers conferred by a Congress too lazy to do its own job. I guess they are all Bush League conservatives.

What is this conspiracy to get Ketledge? Is Bannon undermining Trump again. I thought Bannon quit.

13 posted on 07/08/2018 6:39:10 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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First:

With regards to this part of his ruling:

make agency action presumptively reviewable

Pay special attention to the word "presumptively."

In order to prove that this was just not judicial ruling by another court and that it was not just the bench improperly legislating, you'd have to review the notes from the legislation that enacted the "Administrative Procedure Act" to actually determine if Congress actually meant for an Illegal Alien to have that right.

Furthermore, If Congress meant for the Illegal Alien to have that right, instead of just relying on Stare Decisis and "Settled" Federal common-law, it would have been a bit more refreshing if Kethledge actually questions whether or not an Illegal Alien should ever be given legal rights, but instead, focused on the fact that the Illegal Alien was actually "Illegal", and should be deported immediately.
14 posted on 07/08/2018 6:55:33 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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Guy Benson
@guypbenson
6h
Strong conservative in this realm reaches out in response. Says after closely examining Kethledge’s decade (1000+ decisions), *nothing* is concerning re: originalist/textualist bona fides. Says Gorsuch 2.0 moniker “absolutely” apt & ‘unreliable’ whispers are mystifying. #scotus
.......

I don’t know exactly what Ann and Breitbart are after, but I know Ann is all in for Kavanaugh. She’s not being honest in her criticism, as you point out.
The above tweet summarizes the situation. From everything I’ve read about him, Kethledge should have excited conservatives. That he hasn’t, is indeed “mystifying”...

I don’t know how much influence Bannon has anywhere now, but nothing surprises me. Maybe he’s part of it, or not.

Agree on the administrative state, another area Kethledge shows strength.


15 posted on 07/08/2018 6:56:19 PM PDT by SE Mom (Screaming Eagle mom)
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To: SoConPubbie
You'd have to review the notes from the legislation that enacted the "

B effin S. As Scalia wrote many many many many many many times, in interpreting legislative intent you apply the clear letter of the law as written. You resort to secondary sources only if the law as written is ambiguous. This is not ambiguous.

Period. And no-one can claim he is a conservative who believes that the administrative acts of the Administration should not be judicially reviewable.

16 posted on 07/08/2018 7:02:12 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: SE Mom
It's very sad. I don't have a dog in this fight, but the arguments against him are beginning to turn me into a Kethledge fan.

I am just appalled that Coulter would abuse an honorable and competent judge for her own political ends. It is utterly inexcusably despicable. Especially for a "conservative" attorney. Show reasoned polite disagreement, fine, but by all indications he is a fine public servant and we should be grateful.

17 posted on 07/08/2018 7:05:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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Second:

From the case, PATEL v. UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES, I believe the whole case hinges on whether Patel was a "qualified" alien.

If his VISA had expired, and he was in fact an Illegal Alien, should he be considered a "qualified" alien. I honestly do not know and would have to research that out myself.

As the ruling in this case pointed out, from

(iii) Other workers
Other qualified immigrants who are capable, at the time of petitioning for classification under this paragraph, of performing unskilled labor, not of a temporary or seasonal nature, for which qualified workers are not available in the United States.


1. I find it highly doubtful that there were no qualified workers.
2. From my perspective, whether Federal Common Law (Judicial Rulings) alows for it or not, those Aliens that are currently Illegal, should not have that right.
18 posted on 07/08/2018 7:06:53 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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I don't want Kethledge either! He just looks like Souter!



19 posted on 07/08/2018 7:11:13 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: SoConPubbie
You have utterly and totally missed the point of this case.

Kethledge was not deciding the merits of Patel's case, which you are trying to argue here. All he ruled was that Patel had standing to seek judicial review of the administrative decision and Kethledge did so on the basis of the black and white text in the Administrative Procedures Act.

Please try to be accurate. Kethledge is applying the law as it was written by Congress. Want a different law, get Congress to pass it.

What you are advocating is for the judge to ignore the law and make up his own laws. You are no better than the liberals you despise.

20 posted on 07/08/2018 7:14:06 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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