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Students in Detroit Are Suing the State Because They Weren’t Taught to Read
www.theatlantic.com ^ | 07/06/2018 | Alia Wong

Posted on 07/06/2018 12:03:22 PM PDT by Red Badger

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61 posted on 07/06/2018 12:42:10 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Red Badger

leftists at work with your tax dollars...

americas academia needs a good housecleaning and complete reform


62 posted on 07/06/2018 12:42:44 PM PDT by elbook
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To: Brilliant

Many states have education in their constitutions.


63 posted on 07/06/2018 12:42:56 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: Red Badger

Affirmative action teachers getting big bucks, and kids of a certain color getting passed when they should be failed.


64 posted on 07/06/2018 12:44:21 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Liberalism, like insanity, is the denial of reality.)
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To: Red Badger

Great scene and totally accurate.


65 posted on 07/06/2018 12:45:40 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: Red Badger

https://www.amren.com/features/2014/05/confessions-of-a-public-defender/


66 posted on 07/06/2018 12:47:30 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Red Badger

Apparently they haven’t been told reading and writing is not required to work for the government.


67 posted on 07/06/2018 12:47:43 PM PDT by Terry Mross (On some threads it's best to go st inraight to the comments.)
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To: Red Badger

“...because they were never taught to read...”

...but they were sure indoctrinated, and that was the objective of their “education”.

IMHO


68 posted on 07/06/2018 12:48:19 PM PDT by ripley
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To: C210N

Exactly right. And I hope in federal court that they lose. This should be in state court


69 posted on 07/06/2018 12:49:16 PM PDT by rightprinciples
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To: Red Badger

you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink

you can send a kid to school but you can’t make him think


70 posted on 07/06/2018 12:51:00 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In August our cities will be burning))
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To: I want the USA back

They should sue...the schools there suck...

Need to fire all the teachers and start new schools with kindergrden only and add a grade each year.

My wife was a teacher and every kid in her class could read..

Our kids were reading at three years old..


71 posted on 07/06/2018 12:51:11 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: C19fan

The constitution has plenty of positive rights see Article 2,section 2, and Article 3. It was written to reduce the power of the states and has a bunch of negative rights telling the states what they cannot do.


72 posted on 07/06/2018 12:52:09 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: thesharkboy

that is not vermin, that is students


73 posted on 07/06/2018 12:52:21 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In August our cities will be burning))
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Ssssh.


74 posted on 07/06/2018 12:57:06 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: Red Badger

Is it truly the poor conditions in the schools that results in the plaintiffs attaining a low standard of reading?

Case one in contrast: It’s a story from quite a number of years ago in New York City. A “minority” kid in a regular NYC high school was getting straight As. At some point the school wanted to contact his parents, but not for any disciplinary problem; for some other reason. The letter came back, saying the persons the letter was addressed to did not live there.

It took some time but after awhile the sad but amazing truth came out. The kid was homeless and by himself. In was living in a cardboard box hut he crammed in a tight space between two residential buildings on Manhattan’s east side. His mother had abandoned him, left him on the streets when he was 12 or 13. He had gotten a doorman at one of the nearby apartment buildings to get mail addressed to him or his parents at that address. He went every morning to a nearby YMCA for showers, did odd jobs for whomever he could in the neighborhood, took his school work to a Library as often as he could, stayed out of trouble and concentrated on his determination to get a good education, by himself.

But one day his doorman friend was absent and the substitute that day did not know about the arrangement to take the kids mail.

However, just understand what that kid was doing and did!! Do you think any condition at that school was going to disuade him. I don’t. I think his achievement was never going to depend on the taxpayers investment in his school.

Second case, which was very recently.

Again it is a case of a “minority” (black) kid in a souhern state in a rural area. He is an 11 year old who has been accepted at Southern University. He’s never been to a school; he’s been home schooled. A professor at Southern Univesity heard somehow about the kid and arranged for the kid to take a speacial exam. When they took the results and the folks at Southern talked about, they agreed to let the kid go ahead and start classes there; making him go through formal high schooling was going to be a waste of time.

There are more examples I am sure, but my point is, to me, that nothing matches the importance of the determination of someone to get an education, NOTHING, when it comes to whether or not they get one. And further, is my belief, that that determination with persistence supporting it, can overcome lots of hurdles in getting that education.

So, I would unfortunately, working for the defense, be attacked mercilessly for how strongly I would interrogate the plaintiffs as to how their own habits demonstrated a determination to get an education along with what support they got from their parents, as well as lacking that support how they overcame it. My defense would also bring in every case I was allowed - like the ones above - demonstrating the critical importance of a student’s own determination to get an education, even in the face of hardships.

I would end with the case of a primary school kid sitting at tables outside a McDonalds every day in Manila in the Phillipines. By age he should have been in school in third grade but there he sat all day at that McDonalds. Oh, he always had some kind of book, pencil and paper with him. Why was he there? His mother worked there. But why wasn’t he in school? His single-parent mom did not earn enough money for the school uniform and the little tuition, they needed all her income just for food and their tiny house. But he was determined to find some way to study on his own so he could one day earn enough money to help his mom. He was using old books he found in the trash to try to teach him to read and write better and learn math ON HIS OWN DAMNIT. (makes me so sad and angry, and humble, just thinking about that kid. DETERMINATION TO EDUCATE YOURSELF. From a tiny very poor kid, and yet he knew it better than all the experts here that are always claiming its about how much are taxpayers paying for schools.

My G-d people wake up. It’s not the money.


75 posted on 07/06/2018 12:57:26 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: DoughtyOne

“..when textbooks are outdated,...”Funny, when those books were new people were learning to read with them.”

Great line, and one to be repeated often.


76 posted on 07/06/2018 12:58:54 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
I've read accounts which note that many of these households don't even possess one book.

If I were the judge in this case, my first question to each of the cretins suing is "how many books are in your home"?

As you said, the likely answer is "none".

77 posted on 07/06/2018 12:59:18 PM PDT by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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To: logi_cal869

The federal government via a federal judge has run the Detroit sewage system for decades.


78 posted on 07/06/2018 12:59:41 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: Red Badger
As did most folks in the 19th century, Paul Laurence Dunbar learned to read and write from the Bible. He wrote his first poem at six and gave his first public recital at nine.

Oh, his parents escaped slavery in Kentucky.

Fat chance we simply suggest printing Bibles for the Detroit school system.... I smell a money grab and/or busing to what remains of the burbs.

79 posted on 07/06/2018 12:59:55 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: pfflier

‘It’s so bad the teachers should go on strike and demand more money...’

come now; they only did that because they just want to be treated like humans...I learned this on FR...


80 posted on 07/06/2018 1:00:15 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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