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Can Muslims in the West Ever Really Be De-Radicalized? Brits Begin to Realize the Answer is 'No'
PJ Media ^ | 07/02/2018 | Michael Walsh

Posted on 07/02/2018 9:48:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind


Or, to put it another way, is there such as thing as an unbelieving Believer? One of the great fallacies of Western Europe's multicultural fantasy is that the children of imported Musselmen will become less Muslim and that, eventually, their offspring will become more like their nominally Christian but in fact entirely secular hosts. Accordingly, the British and others now dealing with the consequences of their willfully ahistorical blindness regarding the true nature of Islam, have assumed that "radical" Muslims are the exception rather than the rule, and so have treated them as aberrational.

This, however, flies in the face of no less an expert on Islam than Turkey's would-be caliph, Recep Erdogan, who famously denied that any such thing as "radical" Islam exists -- because, to be a Believer, is to believe in the faith in its entirety. The idea of "cafeteria" Muslims, he has said, is totally wrong:

In a 2010 interview with the Italian daily  Corriere della Sera,  Obama referred to Turkey as a "great Muslim democracy." Obama should have seen that a democracy is a democracy -- without any religious prefix. He would see in later years the difference between a democracy and a Muslim democracy.

Seven years after Obama's pathetic diagnosis about the kind of democracy Erdogan brought to an otherwise secular country, the Turkish president said that "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam." Worse, he claimedthat the term "moderate Islam" had been fabricated by the West in order to weaken Islam. From the Muslim democracy to the former U.S. president, with love...


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: europejihad; globaljihad; immigration; islam; jihadineurope; muslims; radicalislam; radicalmuslims; thewest; uk; ukmuslims
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Comes now a report in the Times of London that ought to give pause to anyone still deluded by the idea that a religion that defines itself in opposition to Judeo-Christianity is suddenly going to "moderate" once exposed to a spiritually bankrupt Western democracy.

More than 95 per cent of deradicalisation programmes are ineffective, according to a study commissioned by the Home Office that raises questions about the government’s Prevent programme. The study revealed failures in the approach to deradicalisation in schools, youth centres, sports clubs and English-language classes.

The Behavioural Insights Team (BIT), the so-called nudge unit formerly part of the Cabinet Office, examined 33 deradicalisation programmes across the country designed to safeguard vulnerable people from far-right and religious extremist threats. The Times understands that most were funded by or fell under the label of Prevent.

The study found that only two programmes were effective and that some projects were counterproductive. Some participants said that they restricted their freedom of speech. Until the BIT study, the 33 projects claimed a success rate of more than 90 per cent because they evaluated themselves.


1 posted on 07/02/2018 9:48:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Can Muslims in the West Ever Really Be De-Radicalized? Brits Begin to Realize the Answer is 'No'

Besser spät als nie.

2 posted on 07/02/2018 9:50:37 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey progressive, NO border idiots, Islam lists individual liberties as a violation of its core laws. Doing so is punishable by death and they don’t care what your illegitimate infidel laws say.


3 posted on 07/02/2018 9:53:15 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: SeekAndFind

Muslims in small numbers are not radicalized. Trouble is; they don’t stay small..

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As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chai ns to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris —car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel.” Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

http://www.virtueonline.org/what-islam-isnt-dr-peter-hammond


4 posted on 07/02/2018 9:53:55 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Steely Tom

Common sense isn’t very common.


5 posted on 07/02/2018 9:54:46 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: SeekAndFind

Islam has been “de-radicalized” before, but not by any silly social program, by being crushed militarily and forced to acknowledge the existing secular government as the law of the land. This is not difficult in police states (see China), but representative governments find it conflicts with the ideals of freedom. But historically that’s what has worked.


6 posted on 07/02/2018 10:00:42 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Actually, they try to get minorities etc when trying to reach 2% as well. Islam never stops trying to Islamize. That is why majority Muslim countries experience conflict between sects at far lower percentages than you gave. It is incapable doing so ... the only “good” thing about Islam is when Muslims aren’t good desciples of Mohammad and do not emulate him.


7 posted on 07/02/2018 10:02:52 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ve lived their whole lives with this anti-Israel/Western Civilization hate.

Goooooood luck!!!!


8 posted on 07/02/2018 10:03:42 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: SeekAndFind

Islam is not a religion. It is a military/political system of domination.


9 posted on 07/02/2018 10:09:14 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

10 posted on 07/02/2018 10:10:48 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: SeekAndFind

The West insists of sharing their bed with Muslim lice.


11 posted on 07/02/2018 10:10:59 AM PDT by 353FMG
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In Viktor Frankl's The Will To Meaning (one of the most important books ever written), he states that in most people there is a hunger to find the meaning of one's life.

When this hunger manifests itself in a Muslim, that Muslim naturally turns to the Koran and, in turn, seeks a meaning that leads to becoming radical.

Given this basic truth, it is fair to say "Houston, we have a problem."

12 posted on 07/02/2018 10:12:24 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: SeekAndFind

I think I’m beginning to understand why the people of the Middle Ages were convinced that anyone who commits suicide would go to hell.


13 posted on 07/02/2018 10:13:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A "pornstar" and a foul-mouthed inarticulate clown are appropriate spokesmen for the Democrat Party.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No. *slam is incompatible with living in a civilized country. Deradicalization is not possible.


14 posted on 07/02/2018 10:17:21 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Search Google for: "politico obama collusion with hezbollah". obama is a traitor to this country.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Brits are remarkably slow learners.


15 posted on 07/02/2018 10:17:42 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: SeekAndFind
Even the ones that start out like this....



Turn into this...


16 posted on 07/02/2018 10:20:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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".... Brits Begin to Realize the Answer is 'No'...."

The British are just NOW beginning to realize that they have voluntarily let the enemy invade their country and there is no turning back?

What is wrong with these people?

In the vernacular, "The British are f*cked".

17 posted on 07/02/2018 10:43:47 AM PDT by HotHunt
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Islam is out to conquer the world and Muslims have no intention of assimilating. Check out:
https://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com/civil-defense/4-stages-of-islamic-conquest/


18 posted on 07/02/2018 10:51:17 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: SeekAndFind
They haven't changed in 1,400 years so what are the chances they will change now?


19 posted on 07/02/2018 10:55:02 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats. - P.J. ORourke)
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The British are just NOW beginning to realize that they have voluntarily let the enemy invade their country and there is no turning back?


20 posted on 07/02/2018 10:59:38 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats. - P.J. ORourke)
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