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'When has it ever become legal to shoot someone because they’re pulling off in your car?'
The Chicago Tribune ^ | 06/15/18 | Katherine Rosenberg-Douglas

Posted on 06/15/2018 6:01:58 AM PDT by Simon Green

Janique Walker knows the cost of a split second.

Her younger brother, 17-year-old Charles Macklin, was killed while trying to steal a Jeep from a Chicago fire lieutenant on the West Side last August. The lieutenant had left the Jeep running, and Macklin jumped behind the wheel.

The lieutenant ran in front of the Jeep and shouted, “Get out,” according to a police report. When Macklin began pulling away, the lieutenant drew his gun and fired through the open driver’s side window, hitting the teen in the chest.

Macklin’s last words were, “Sorry, bro,” according to the police report. The teen died on the pavement. He did not have a gun on him.

The lieutenant had a concealed carry license. He was not charged and he was not disciplined by the department, according to spokesman Larry Langford.

“That was investigated by us, and we found no violation of any rules,” Langford said. “The police didn’t arrest, the state’s attorney found no reason to charge. There was no wrongdoing as far as the Fire Department is concerned.”

Walker, 20, has organized protests, started a Facebook page and launched a hashtag on Twitter. She says she hasn’t given up hope of getting justice for her brother.

She believes her brother was found guilty by one man with a gun. Walker said her brother should be alive to stand before a judge and take responsibility for his actions.

“When has it ever become legal to shoot someone because they’re pulling off in your car?” she asked. “Even if (Macklin) did that, if he did steal the car. You’ve got insurance

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bluezones; chicago; theft; urban
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To: Simon Green

Car jacking has it’s pit falls. Nothing to see here, move along.


81 posted on 06/15/2018 6:33:26 AM PDT by spincaster ( AM A)
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To: Simon Green
Walker said her brother should be alive to stand before a judge and take responsibility for his actions.

Oh but he did. Don't want to get shot. Quit stealing sh*t!

82 posted on 06/15/2018 6:33:43 AM PDT by Envisioning (Carry safe, always carry, everyday, everywhere.)
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To: babble-on

Yeah, well, did Macklin check to insure there was not a child in the back seat? I doubt it. Regardless, if I am in front of a car that is peeling out towards me in a reckless nd dangerous manner- I might just make the lethal force equation and respond to protect my life, the fact that the shot went into the drivers door etc is irrelevant- that’s like saying, well the bullet missed me or the knife just cut my shirt, so no harm no foul.....


83 posted on 06/15/2018 6:33:46 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: babble-on

I believe it would be justifiable homicide at night in Texas.


84 posted on 06/15/2018 6:34:41 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Simon Green

When has it ever become legal to drive off in someone else’s car?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


85 posted on 06/15/2018 6:35:02 AM PDT by al_c (https://conventionofstates.com)
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To: Arm_Bears

Tawk bout a warped reality...these people feel they should not encounter ANY resistance when victimizing law abiding, hard working citizens.

The young feller put himself in harms way.


86 posted on 06/15/2018 6:37:39 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Simon Green

But... but...he was just getting his life together.. he was thinking about getting a job to help support his four kids, each by different baby mamas... and he was an aspiring rapper.


87 posted on 06/15/2018 6:38:03 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberals, go find another country.)
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To: AppyPappy

“But Pooky was going back to school”

Yes, he was turning his life around, as an aspiring rap artist.


88 posted on 06/15/2018 6:39:54 AM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: Simon Green; All

Shooting someone who is committing a felony used to be legal in most jurisdictions before 1950.

Shooting someone who is stealing your car is still legal in Texas, at night.

Stealing other people’s property is not acceptable. We cultural Marxists attempting to make it so.


89 posted on 06/15/2018 6:40:32 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

What’s the big deal her brother died?
The insurance will take care of it.


91 posted on 06/15/2018 6:43:59 AM PDT by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Typical attitude of a large class of people.


92 posted on 06/15/2018 6:44:54 AM PDT by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: ping jockey

https://useofforce.us/4details/

Defense of Property

You cannot shoot someone for stealing your car. You cannot shoot someone for stealing your wallet. You cannot shoot someone for wandering over your property line. In the eyes of the law, life has priority over possessions—even a criminal’s life. You may defend your own safety with the use of force, but not your stuff.


93 posted on 06/15/2018 6:45:53 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: madprof98

“I believe he got just that already.” Agree.


94 posted on 06/15/2018 6:46:06 AM PDT by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: Simon Green

(I realize it may have been self defense)

Personally, I think you should be able to “legally” shoot the sumanabitch. BUT....

https://www.concealedcarry.com/law/can-you-shoot-a-carjacker/


95 posted on 06/15/2018 6:46:25 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Simon Green

Yeah, I figured. A car is considered a deadly weapon.


96 posted on 06/15/2018 6:46:52 AM PDT by tje
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To: babble-on

You cannot shoot someone for stealing your car. You cannot shoot someone for stealing your wallet. You cannot shoot someone for wandering over your property line. In the eyes of the law, life has priority over possessions—even a criminal’s life. You may defend your own safety with the use of force, but not your stuff.


Mostly doctrine that was put in place after 1950. Based on court decisions.

Cultural attitudes are changing. I see juries tending to reverse this doctrine, or at least, having self defense expanded quite broadly.

The Chicago case is an example of this.

A great many people are fed up with crime, and do not care what happens to thieves.

I will not be surprised to see the law itself changed closer to Texas law in the nest decade or two.


97 posted on 06/15/2018 6:51:33 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: FrdmLvr

“Seems to me many, many potential victims were spared by eliminating this threat to humanity and civilized society that otherwise would have continued for at least 30 more years had it gone unchecked.”

Well put.


98 posted on 06/15/2018 6:51:53 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Young black men: 3% of the population. 53% of the murder.


99 posted on 06/15/2018 6:52:03 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: FreedomPoster

In Texas it’s still legal to hang horse thieves.


100 posted on 06/15/2018 6:53:42 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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