Does this look like a man who will "ease sanctions" based on promises of future behavior?
Posted on 06/13/2018 6:24:46 AM PDT by Wuli
You bring up the symptoms, but the root cause is the condition of the national psyche. If the brainwashing and propaganda targeted at the Chinese from youth onwards is effective enough, then people simply won't be spiritually nor psychologically capable of freedom. Their sense of identity and culture would be too wrapped up around the State.
The Chinese people are taught a VERY falsified version of their history and have yet to openly discuss or take responsibility for the bloody disaster of Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution (which honestly wasn't that long ago.) It is illegal to even TALK about events like the TIanenmen Square massacre of 1989 and websites about it are blocked.
China's current leaders consider themselves inheritors of that legacy and have a vested interest in upholding Maoist tenets. They figure so long as the people experience enough of the trappings of capitalist wealth, they will remain loyal to the State.
Christianity and other religions are under tremendous strain.
Does this look like a man who will "ease sanctions" based on promises of future behavior?
“The Kim dynasty was brought up and mentored by the Soviets, not China.”
Kim Il Sung was educated in the Soviet Union, Kim Jong Il in China, and Kim Jong Un in Switzerland.
Although the Soviets formed and steered the Communists in North Korea before the Korean War, the Chinese occupation of the North Korean Government and domination of the economy never came to a complete end after the Korean War. Both Russia and China maintained relations with the Kim dynasty, but China now holds the whip.
“Kim’s politics and thinking does not come out of China”
I believe you have a point there - although both support dictatorial oppression. The Kim’s may take a Stalinist approach, but China has their hand on the tiller at the same time.
“Economic development is not more likely to turn North Korea away from dictatorship and into democracy anymore than it has China.”
That seems to be a lesson that we will have to learn again. The Chinese communists, and the Kim regime, may be playing the longer game, to build up their economic power and grow more political infiltration into South Korea, while they wait out the Trump Administration.
“the root cause is the condition of the national psyche”
I believe the root cause to be the brutal repression of the ruling gang, determined to maintain their control. The violence, threats, censorship, brainwashing and propaganda that shape the national psyche are directly caused by the regime’s policies.
Yes. Those factors shape the psyche. Not to mention decades of forced abortions upon millions of women due to inhumane One Child Policy...those after-effects tend to linger as well and can’t be taken for granted.
Everything humanly possible that America and American blood and resources can do to make that happen has been done....and more.
Not to be harsh-but-5+ decades of coddling, protection, favor and hand-holding (often to our detriment) is ample!
As much as I hate the Chinese communists, they are playing expert and reinforcing centuries old political psyche and culture in China - acceptance of rule by imperial regimes under emperors. It may be that the Chinese people cannot break out of that anymore than have Russians broken out of reliance on authoritarians going all the way back to and non-stop since the Czars. Both nations have changed the titles and surface appearance of who is in control, but actually just put new folks in charge of running the old systems.
It was reported yesterday via Townhall.com that it was discussed, albeit briefly.
"It was discussed. It will be discussed more in the future -- human rights," Trump said. "It was discussed. It was discussed relatively briefly compared to denuclearization. Well, obviously, that’s where we started and where we ended. But they will be doing things, and I think he wants to do things."
-PJ
No it is not obsolete. Not everyone has a smartphone and not everyone has a debit account to use for payment. Some people are too stupid to figure out apps. First installing then configuring then using. Some people want nothing to do with using smart phone apps to order food. At least the kiosk takes cash.
“Some people are too stupid to figure out apps.”
What an arrogant comment-——maybe some people don’t WANT to learn about apps.
.
The whole point of this exercise is that CHINA’S Little puppet has the capability of killing 20 million South Korean2 in 5 seconds, take out Honolulu and Pearl, and any Other US city. The reason we are here today with kid gloves on is because of every damned moronic POTUS we’ve had up until now that allowed this homocidal maniac to have thermonuclear weapons and their delivery devices in the first place.
This is how it has to be done now because of that. As was said by a Congressman this moring, you don’t walk into negotiations with Kim and slap him in the face and call him an ignorant slut.
But so many geniouses would have us do just that. Funny how not one of them lives in Seol.
Unmentioned anwhere is what does Kim want?
I think he wants prosperity grown out of peace. His threats were merely a means to the end of changing the status quo. In Trump he found a man willing to discuss how to bring about that change.
At present, it is still in the “We’ll see” mode, but the static condition is over.
“This is how it has to be done now because of that. As was said by a Congressman this moring, you don’t walk into negotiations with Kim and slap him in the face and call him an ignorant slut.....”But so many geniouses would have us do just that. Funny how not one of them lives in Seol.”
I don’t know exactly what “geniuses” you are referrring to but (a) I have not been one with them (whomever they are) and (b) to simply criticize any particular element of what has occurred so far also cannot be ruled as recommending a “slap in the face either”. I really think that point is a straw argument.
There is general praise for what has occurred so far, even with some caveats. There is also little detail actually yet agreed on, and with what little is seen so far there are concerns. The concerns are not illegitimate, even though nothing is certain yet and all will have to wait until the actual details are openly known.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.