Administration rallies for mandatory E-Verify to stop illegal employment

Washington Examiner ^ | June 11, 2018 | Paul Bedard

[GonzoII]

Hoping to kill a lure for illegal immigrants, top Trump administration officials are rallying behind the E-Verify system that requires employers to hire only legal U.S. workers or face a fine.

The heads of the Social Security Administration and Immigration and Customs Enforcement have endorsed the mandatory national use of the voluntary system as a way to curb illegal immigration and cut identity theft.

“I think that we need to look at E-Verify. I think E-Verify is a necessary tool because illegal employment is a magnet that pulls people into this country. So I think E-Verify should be mandated in this country across the board,” said ICE Acting Director Thomas Homan.

[catnipman]

unfortunately, e-verify is voluntary except for Federal contractors, where it is required. Probably will take an act of Congress to make it required across the board ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=e-verify+requirements

[dsc]

“If your wife is here illegally yes”

Of course, but I didn’t see that distinction in the list.

My wife is legal, of course.

[freedumb2003]

E-verify is NOT voluntary if you have a standard payroll and pay payroll taxes. Even small companies are required to validate via their payroll agent (ADP, bank, etc.).

I implement HCM systems and know of what I speak.

Under the table OTOH follow no laws.

[robroys woman]

The last one on my list:
Regulating who you can and can’t hire.

As far as I’m concerned, for a particular person, it may be illegal to be here, and illegal to work here. But I see it as on you. An employer should not need to be required to determine citizenship status of the people they hire.

Interestingly, this would not be an issue if the government didn’t give free money and free stuff away.

[robroys woman]

None of those things are fascism because they are not “over-regulation”. It would be fascist to require a drivers license to drive a car on your own property.

[robroys woman]

Do you think it is ok to hire illegals?

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Only if you don’t know they are illegal.

[catnipman]

“E-verify is NOT voluntary if you have a standard payroll and pay payroll taxes.”

then why does uscis.gov state:

“E-Verify is a voluntary program for most employers, but mandatory for some, such as employers with federal contracts or subcontracts that contain the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) E-Verify clause and employers in certain states that have legislation that mandates the use of E-Verify for some or all employers.”

E-Verify Quick Reference Guide for E-Verify Enrollment - USCIS”

https://www.uscis.gov/.../e-verify-enrollment-quick-reference-guide-september-2012

And if as you say it is already mandatory for all employers, why is the trump administration making a big push to make it mandatory for all employers?

to wit, according to the article:

“The heads of the Social Security Administration and Immigration and Customs Enforcement have endorsed the mandatory national use of the voluntary system as a way to curb illegal immigration and cut identity theft ... So I think E-Verify should be mandated in this country across the board,” said ICE Acting Director Thomas Homan.”

[freedumb2003]

well, from a practical standpoint it is mandatory as when you enroll to do payroll deductions directly E-Verify is required.

Maybe if someone does their own payroll (how quaint) he/she could bypass E-Verify.

So you are correct and I stand corrected.

Let us pray Trump corrects us both.

[21st Century Crusader]

Administration rallies for mandatory E-Verify to stop illegal employment

I could've sworn that it was a requirement years ago; did Hussein 0bama wave his pen and change that?

[dsc]

“Only if you don’t know they are illegal.”

IMO, an employer has a moral duty to know.

We are at war on several fronts, and we’d better start acting like it.

[Oscar in Batangas]

Make it retroactively apply to Federal elections beginning with January 1, 2008.

[firebrand]

Uh-oh.

[G Larry]

I’m not an expert, but I believe the I-9 is not required of all employers.

I am certain that E-verify use is NOT required by law.

The I-9 form and E-verify are not the same thing.

You can look at the 4 Immigration Reform plans under consideration by the Congress today and they just REMOVED the E-verify requirement from the only one that had it.

[zeugma]

The IRS has the tools, laws and authority to STOP employers already.

Exactly. The fact that they do not is a crime in and of itself.

[catnipman]

most small business people i know pay a company to do payroll deductions on their behalf. i wonder if that method of payroll deduction requires e-verify?

i’m now curious enough about the matter that i’m going to ask some of my small business clients about it ...

[catnipman]

“None of those things are fascism because they are not “over-regulation”.”

and yet requiring employers to use e-verify to avoid hiring illegal alien workers IS “fascism”?

[2nd amendment mama]

It is MANDATORY in 20 States. South Carolina is one of them.

[freedumb2003]

>>most small business people i know pay a company to do payroll deductions on their behalf. i wonder if that method of payroll deduction requires e-verify?<<

Now that you mention it, they did not ask that if me when I set up my S-Corp but the provider already had my citizenship info.

Things that make you go “hmmmm?”

[2nd amendment mama]

I can tell you, in South Carolina it is mandatory!!

Table: States Requiring E-Verify
 

	State	Citation	Year Enacted	Applies to:
1	Alabama	HB 56 HB 658	2011 2012	All employers (phase in) Contractors and subcontractors; prime contractors not liable for subcontractor complying with E-Verify unless they know of the violation
2	Arizona	HB 2779 HB 2745	2007 2008	All employers
3	Colorado	HB 1343 SB 139 SB 193	2006 2008 2008	State agencies, contractors
4	Florida	EO 11-02 EO 11-116	2011 2011	State agencies, contractors, subcontractors
5	Georgia	SB 529 HB 2 SB 447 HB 87 HB 742 HB 1027	2006 2009 2010 2011 2012 2012	Public employers, contractors, subcontractors with 500+ employees (phase in)
6	Idaho	EO 2009-10	2009	State agencies, contractors
7	Indiana	SB 590	2011	State agencies, contractors
8	Louisiana	HB 342 HB 646 HB 996	2011 2011 2012	State contractors Option for private employers
9	Michigan	HB 5365	2012	State agencies, contractors, subcontractors
10	Mississippi	SB 2988	2008	All employers (phase in)
11	Missouri	HB 1549 HB 390	2008 2009	Public employers, contractors, subcontractors
12	Nebraska	LB 403	2009	Public employers, contractors
13	North Carolina	SB 1523 HB 36	2006 2011	State agencies, universities Localities, all employers (phase in)
14	Oklahoma	HB 1804	2007	Public employers, contractors, subcontractors
15	Pennsylvania	SB 637	2012	Public contractors, subcontractors
16	South Carolina	HB 4400 SB 20 HB 4813	2008 2011 2012	Public employers, contractors (phase in) Private employers Establishes a 24-hour hotline to report E-Verify violations
17	Tennessee	HB 1378	2011	All employers with 6+ employees (phase in)
18	Utah	SB 81 SB 39 SB 251 HB 116	2008 2009 2010 2011	Public employers, contractors, subcontractors   Private employers with more than 15 employees
19	Virginia	HB 737  HB 1859 SB 1049	2010 2011	State agencies Public contractors, subcontractors with more than 50 employees
20	West Virginia	SB 659	2012	Public Employers, contractors

[freedumb2003]

Thanks — that may be the source of my misconnection above.

All the systems I have implemented implement E-Verify as a matter of course. It may just be safest and easiest and subject to State dictates.