[ealgeone]

Based upon New Advent's definition, I'm not sure how one can construed indulgences is not a work oriented program when the definition states that we are paying SOMETHING for the debt that we owe to God. What are we making payment for? What does "more complete payment of the debt" means exactly

The indulgences, the wearing of the scapulars, miraculous medals, the prayers to "Mary", etc,....all show a lack of faith in the complete forgiveness Christ offers us through faith in Him, and only Him.

In the words of Paul, the Roman Catholic who participates in these has abandoned the Gospel for a false gospel not centered on Christ.

This also illustrates the danger of allowing "tradition" to be equated as equal with Scripture. It opens up the door to a whole host of false doctrines as witnessed on these threads.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"The indulgences, the wearing of the scapulars, miraculous medals, the prayers to "Mary", etc,....all show a lack of faith in the complete forgiveness Christ..

That is exactly and precisely false. These prayers and devotions are ONLY for souls who are already forgiven and saved. It has nothing to do with "getting" forgiveness for sins.

I'm surprised you got that wrong. It's basic.

Write all you want about your own beliefs, but please refrain from telling untruths about mine.

And if you want to reject Tradition, you'll have to take that up with St. Paul.

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[metmom]

Psalm 103:8-14 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. He will not always chide, nor will he keep his anger forever. He does not deal with us according to our sins, nor repay us according to our iniquities.

For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his steadfast love toward those who fear him; as far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. As a father shows compassion to his children, so the Lord shows compassion to those who fear him. For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust.